The licence is on page 2 of the JMS specification pdf.
The issue of re-implementing the APIs is a completely separate topic,
related (I believe) to permitted uses described in the licence you agreed
to when you downloaded the JDK.
RG
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I'm not a lawyer either.. but I don't see any licenses that I agreed
to when I looked at:
http://java.sun.com/j2ee/1.4/docs/api/javax/jms/package-summary.html
or even on a more contentious note, the Apache implementation of the
API interfaces here:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/specs/trunk/geronimo-jms_1.1_spec/src/main/java/javax/jms/
On 9/19/06, Robert Greig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, a JMS like API needs to be developed from scratch obviously! We
> > can't copy it since it would be a copyright violation. Unless Sun
> > holds a patent on JMS, I don't think that they can protect the ideas
> > behind the JMS api.
>
> I am not a lawyer, and what I am saying is certainly not my opinion,
> but the opinion of our legal counsel.
>
> I believe that this bit of the licence is relevant:
>
> "Any use of the Specification and the information described therein
> will be governed by the terms and conditions of this license and the
> Export Control
> Guidelines as set forth in the Terms of Use on Sun's website. By
> viewing, downloading or otherwise copying the Specification, you agree
> that you have read, understood, and will comply with all of the terms
> and conditions set forth herein.
> Subject to the terms and conditions of this license, Sun hereby grants
> you a fully-paid, non-exclusive, non-transferable, worldwide, limited
> license (without the right to sublicense) under Sun's intellectual
> property rights to review the Specification internally solely for the
> purpose
> of designing and developing your Java applets and applications
> intended to run on the Java platform."
>
> Given that you would probably find it difficult to argue that you have
> not downloaded or read the specification, you have agreed to abide by
> the terms of the licence.
>
> > Besides, C++ is a totally different beast from Java. I think we HAVE
> > to be different. We just want an API that is similar in concepts.
>
> Yes, I don't actually think it is terribly difficult to be different.
>
> > > Did you get any agreement from Sun to create a JMS-like API for C++?
> > >
> > Don't see why we need to. It's just a Messaging API that bears
> > resemblance to JMS. It does not have any reference to the term 'jms'
> > in it so it's not a trademark violation.
>
> I suppose it depends whether someone could argue that you used the
> specification to develop your API, which you did describe as "JMS
> like".
>
> > So I fail to see why we need
> > permission. Did linux need permission to implement posix like APIs?
>
> I have no idea what the posix licence agreement looks like.
>
> RG
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