Hi Paul, > I'm probably going to sound a little bit "arsy" as we say in England. > I don't mean to - I'm not criticizing what's happened, but as mentor I > need to make some points here.
No problem at all - I'm pleased to get the feedback. The projects I've contributed to in the past played "fast and loose" with the code contributions - the tightness around this area is one thing I appreciate about Apache and I certainly don't want to go against that. > 1) Having an Apache ICLA from people who contributed to GitHub does > not count. The Apache ICLA makes statements about contributions to > Apache. Code that is contributed to the Github is not covered. So when > you then contribute that code from GitHub into Apache then it is not > covered. Looking back in the mailing list I see that you were poorly > advised on this front. I apologize for not picking this up earlier and > not commenting at that time. Ok... One problem feeding this issue is that my intro to contributing to Qpid is a Windows port - not something easy to plop into a single patch. Since I was hoping for assistance from others and couldn't check into the Qpid svn repo, even on a branch, I had few options. > 2) This is a subset of a wider problem. The management of IP within > Apache is a huge part of the governance of code, and it cannot be > bypassed without serious consequences. Having you decide if there is > an ICLA in place and accepting code on that basis completely bypasses > the well documented Apache process that is the responsibility of the > (I)PMC. Luckily the whole point of incubation is to learn these > lessons, so at this stage this isn't serious. But on the other hand, I > can't leave this undiscussed either! > > 3) Its not your responsibility to decide whether contributions are > significant or not. A significant contribution in one person's eyes > might be insignificant in another's. The whole Apache project started > out from "a few bug fixes". Without seeing the patches go by, the > community cannot judge the quality of contributions. Point taken. Thanks. > Finally, I would be happier if there was a date by which the GitHub > code will be re-integrated into the SVN and our GitHub tree > decommissioned. It's in progress now. Hopefully within a couple of weeks that will be done. -Steve
