As for me it is much easier to maintain big Swing-based project than anything else. Of course Swing has it's own drawbacks, but at least it's purely Java and you can reimplement everything in your own way. Swing's API is much striker than others, and it makes you to use good design techniques, like MVC or separation of UI and logic. Plus there are many advanced Swing resources, like chart libs (JFreeChart), animation frameworks or LookAndFeels (Substance). And while tray icon in Swing is really crappy - you can easily customize LookAndFeel just overriding OceanTheme or implementing your own using PlafLookAndFeel and PNG and XML (some banks wanted to make their apps use their brand styles).
And about Swing is slow... it looks for me like some urban legend. On any linux box i saw SWT works too laggy in comparison with Swing, plus adding one more abstraction level and breaking barrier between Java and Native are making any speed advantages impossible. Any way, if you feel that you can anything in Java - any native components will be limitation for you. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Rene <[email protected]> wrote: > If you really need chart reports library than I don't think qtjambi has it , > I don't know what functionality and complexity you need for charts , > It definitely is possible to draw using qtjambi , look at examples . I have > no experiences with this , so if you think that what you need is to much to > code yourself then look for swt charts library better , as swt is developed > and evolving . > Another idea is maybe combination of qtjambi + QWebKit for html charts , > but this is just speculation :) . > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bruno Wouters <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Hi Rene, >> >> >> >> So if you would start a new project now you would choose for Qt Jambi? >> >> Are there chart libraries or can I create charts with the Qt Jambi api? >> >> >> >> Thanks for the fast response! >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Bruno Wouters >> >> >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rene >> Sent: dinsdag 5 januari 2010 18:31 >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [Qt-jambi-interest] Some questions about Qt Jambi >> >> >> >> Well for me it is in this order QtJambi , Swt , Swing . Yes Qtjambi is >> abandoned and Swing in my eyes also .Try to create tray icon or something >> special in swing and you will be burden in problems . Also api of Qt Jambi >> is very clean for me and you can write far less code and more readable code. >> Qt 4.5.2 is pretty stable and maintained , and look at ages old bugs on Sun >> site, that will never be resolved . Well Sun did not put much effort to >> their desktop library for years. >> >> >> >> I have created few desktop applications in swing some time ago , now I am >> using QtJambi and I am ready to switch to swt if there will not be person >> who will be able to understand that C++ part of QtJambi. >> >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Bruno Wouters <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Thanks for the responses! >> >> It helps a lot but is it still a difficult choice. >> >> >> >> This is my current idea about the frameworks, please correct me if I’m >> wrong.: >> >> Swing seems to be the safest with the same rendering on each OS but may >> not have the look & feel of a native application. And it has the most >> libraries for things like charts etc because it exists longer that other gui >> frameworks. >> >> SWT is faster than swing but could give some problems as new operating >> systems appear. (has/had problems with Mac OSX 64bit) And it also could >> render certain gui elements differently on different operating systems. >> >> Qt Jambi is probably the least safe choice because Nokia stopped >> development and the community still needs to grow. >> >> >> >> Is it correct to assume that I will have the least amount of maintenance >> with swing? (with new operating systems etc) >> >> Does swing work well for multilingual gui’s? (also right-to-left) >> >> Are there any must have libraries/frameworks to use with swing/swt? >> >> >> >> Thanks again! >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Bruno Wouters >> >> >> >> PS.: Happy new year! >> >> >> >> From: Helge Fredriksen [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: vrijdag 1 januari 2010 21:50 >> >> To: Bruno Wouters >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Qt-jambi-interest] Some questions about Qt Jambi >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> And a happy new year, all Qt Jambi interests! >> >> Just some more additions to the discussion about the difference about >> Qt Jambi vs. Swing (don't have so much experience with SWT) >> >> * Although Swing is getting better "under the hood" as you say, there >> aren't that many additions to the API itself, although you may of >> course take >> advantage of Swing based third party Open Source APIs like JFreeChart >> etc. >> * Qt Jambi has the big advantage of getting for "free" all the new >> advances in >> Qt. Especially, this is something you really should acknowledge for the >> QGraphics* classes which allows you to build highly complex 2D graphic >> system. >> And now, with the new Animation and Gesture APIs, things are looking >> quite >> awsome for creating advanced graphics applications. >> * Since QtJambi is a fairly thin layer between Qt and Java, you get a >> very high >> performance on your app. Especially on the latest versions of Qt, they >> have >> been focusing on performance a lot due to the adoption to mobile >> devices. >> If you were to build a framework like QGraphics* on top of Swing for >> example >> I think you would see problems getting the kind of performance see in >> Qt Jambi. >> * Qt Jambi has the possibility to build bridges between existing Qt C++ >> apps/APIs >> and Java. For example, one could imagine that the effort wouldn't be >> that >> hard to build a Marble Jambi widget and a QWT for Jambi component. >> There >> really are a lot of nice components to port. >> * The community is still very small, and we haven't come very far in >> setting up >> a community site, setting up releases for download etc. One still has >> to >> either use the last binaries that Nokia built for 4.5, or to build >> your own >> stuff on 4.6 using the build descriptions found on gitorious.org. >> However, >> I think this will change shortly. The best thing, however, would of >> course >> be if someone saw this as a business opportunity. That is, one could >> agree >> to pay a support fee to such a company and in return get help on Qt >> Jambi >> if your application development ran into some kind of trouble. To get >> an >> official commercial maintainer for Qt Jambi would really mean a lot of >> security for the framework audience. Just think about it; Qt Jambi is >> really >> a worthy challenger to Swing, and could be the next big thing for >> building >> cross-platform graphical desktop applications in a high-level >> language. That >> demands for quite a bit more attention to the marketing side, >> especially in the open >> source community. >> >> Looking in the crystal ball: >> >> The community will support the Qt Jambi framework more or less as is, >> enhancing it >> with new features (which will not be many towards 4.7 as was stated in the >> DevDays) until at least 5.0 arrives (probably in 2-3 years). After that, >> there is >> an open question what will happen to Qt, if the Qt people will invent >> something >> what breaks the way Qt 4 is build up. This was the case when they moved >> from >> Qt 3 to Qt 4, but that stirred so much frustration that they had to commit >> to >> "We will never break your code again". Thus there is a legitimate hope >> that >> Qt Jambi will have a happy life supporting the new Qt features for many >> many >> years to come! >> >> PS: To prepare some release activity on Qt Jambi 4.6, I have been playing >> around >> with some project creation on SourceForge. Not much there yet, please >> comment >> if you like. We are also looking into the oppertunity of using Atlassian >> Jira, but >> we're struggeling a bit with the hosting side here. >> >> PS2: Please join in on the on #qtjambi on the Freenode IRC server for >> those of >> you who want to chat! >> >> Best regards, >> Helge Fredriksen >> >> >> Bruno Wouters wrote: >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> >> >> Thanks for the fast response! >> >> >> >> Which UI framework do you think has the most secure future in terms of >> >> compatibility with new operating systems and fixing bugs? While searching >> >> the net I found that there were a lot of people saying that Swing isn't >> >> updated for about 10 years or so. Is this true? >> >> >> >> I think it will be a choice between SWT or Qt Jambi... Not sure which one >> to >> >> pick... >> >> >> >> The UFaceKit you pointed out also looks interesting but then I still need >> to >> >> choose a UI framework to start with :-). Will UFaceKit work with things >> like >> >> charts? Or more advanced stuff like drag & drop? >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Bruno Wouters >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Tom Schindl [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> Sent: dinsdag 29 december 2009 10:45 >> >> To: Bruno Wouters >> >> Cc: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [Qt-jambi-interest] Some questions about Qt Jambi >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Not sure what to suggest when it comes to whether using Qt-Jambi in >> >> commercial product but there are alternatives naturally: >> >> >> >> * Swing >> >> * SWT integrates nicely on Win32 and MacOS-X as well as on Linux-Gnome >> >> >> >> I can point you also to a project I started some time ago named UFaceKit >> >> [1,2] which is hiding the real toolkit behind a facade and so allows you >> >> to defers the choice of the UI-ToolKit. >> >> >> >> LGPL is a quite commerical friendly license and even if you modify >> >> >> >> LGPL-Code you only have to contribute back the modified code and NOT >> >> publish your own (but I'm not a lawyer). >> >> >> >> >> >> It's really a bitty that Nokia took this step and on the other hand >> >> invested into a Qt-eSWT-Port on the other side. Please note eSWT != SWT. >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> [1]http://wiki.eclipse.org/UFaceKit >> >> [2]http://tomsondev.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/slides1.pdf >> >> >> >> Am 29.12.09 10:20, schrieb Bruno Wouters: >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm considering to use Qt Jambi for a new project. Is this a good choice >> >> knowing that Nokia decided to discontinue development of it? Is the open >> >> source community large enough to keep it alive/up to date? >> >> >> >> Are there other, better choices then Qt Jambi for a java application >> >> that is going to be deployed on Windows and Mac OS X? It will be a >> >> multilingual (also right-to-left languages) application taking care of >> >> some administrative tasks (quite simple gui). >> >> >> >> And can I use Qt Jambi under the LGPL license (without changing the Qt >> >> Jambi code) in a commercial application without providing the source >> >> code of it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for your time! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> Bruno Wouters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Qt-jambi-interest mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.trolltech.com/mailman/listinfo/qt-jambi-interest >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Qt-jambi-interest mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.trolltech.com/mailman/listinfo/qt-jambi-interest >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qt-jambi-interest mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.trolltech.com/mailman/listinfo/qt-jambi-interest >> >> >> -- >> Best Regards / S Pozdravom >> >> Rene Dohan >> >> http://inno-a-dev.blogspot.com >> http://inno.localnet.sk >> http://www.qualityunit.com > > > -- > Best Regards / S Pozdravom > > Rene Dohan > > http://inno-a-dev.blogspot.com > http://inno.localnet.sk > http://www.qualityunit.com > > _______________________________________________ > Qt-jambi-interest mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.trolltech.com/mailman/listinfo/qt-jambi-interest _______________________________________________ Qt-jambi-interest mailing list [email protected] http://lists.trolltech.com/mailman/listinfo/qt-jambi-interest
