Re: [QUAD-L] vote for the right man for the right reason

[Oconnelldb]

"If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we   will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve  will  get up out of that wheelchair and walk again," ok, i follow you now.  "we" doesn't mean kerry and edwards doing anything, "people like C.R." doesn't mean quads walking, it means others like C.R. like tall males or Americans.  "getting up out of that w/c and walking again" doesn't mean cure but something else unspoken (maybe those straps and wires we saw CR in on the treadmill in the hospital - that was sort of walking)  you're pretty full of what WASN'T said in that message even though the implied meaning was crystal clear to everyone but yourself.   "If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we   will do when John Kerry is president"  means directly that the results will happen during that time, otherwise they would have said "the work that will START when J.K. is pres."  there's a lot "implied" in this message - you need to remove your kerry glasses and see what the rest of us are seeing.  these two johns are so full of double-speak and "that depends on what the meaning of the word IS is" they can't remember what sputum they spread last.   How many misstatements has Bush made? and now we're into the two wrongs make it right issue?   And, as I said...when the entire statement, is heard and read, no where is he promising that Quads will walk if they are elected. there's obviously more to the statement than what is printed above then because that's EXACTLY what they are claiming.  "elect kerry and quads will walk again"  stop reading in your own interpretations.  we can read too.  some of us even went to school and can pick out jib-jab doublespeak in a heartbeat.  agreed both sides are full of it - once again we don't have a good choice, only the one between bad and worse, one from whom we know what we will get and one from whom we have no clue - except that it will be cloaked in doublespeak and won't be what he says today.   dave       In a message dated 10/21/2004 7:58:17 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "It takes more than "doing the work". It takes long years of research with a whole lot of hope and a eureka moment."  I think MOST people know that is a given.   However, 'doing the work" ..that means working at the research...one 'step' at a time, one tiny increment at a time.  No where was it even implied otherwise. How far does anything ..yes anything ..go without 'working' at it in some degree? I can not see anywhere, or anyhow Kerry or Edwards implied otherwise.   " " the work that we will do when John Kerry is President" Which is backing the research possibilities.   They are saying they will work for the research. As is continued from the statement " if we do the work we are capable of doing in this country" Funding research... WE...a composite of all entities combined. A force that we as a whole ( the united states) ..can do the work. Researchers, Drug companies, Doctors, physicists, and even individuals in just paying their taxes. Bush's platform restricts this research, as well as many other medical issues (AIDS being one)  from what I believe is pixilated logic.  But I digress.   Newspeak?   I am again sorry, it is not newspeak...it's  English.   So the bottom line in this all is you disagree with the one word " Will"  as in " will get out of their wheelchairs"  Ok, I can  agree, " will"  may have been a misstatement.  We do not know as a true fact, 100 years or more from now, quads  WILL walk.  But nor did they know we WILL go to the moon. But I think in the entire statement, in context, it was a perfectly logical wording. The work has to be done, if there is to be any hope, and not just in SCI.   How many misstatements has Bush made? To mince one word, I find a little odd, given the context.   And, as I said...when the entire statement, is heard and read, no where is he promising that Quads will walk if they are elected. Which goes back to reaffirmation, IMO, that it is indeed, ALL about keeping in context the pertinent wording ...on either side of the issue ..   ;)       {{The best to you,}} Sherry ' To be willing to March into Hell for a Heavenly cause" ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuntman To: Sherry ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] vote for the right man for the right reason My problem is the last phrase. You are free to your interpretation. It takes more than "doing the work". It takes long years of research with a whole lot of hope and a eureka moment. I guess some might view "Will" not as a promise. However he didn't say might, or could, or any other word which would have been much more accurate. I'm not one of those who needs to question the definition of "is". If the glass is half full you still have a half a glass that is full of air. I view kerry words empty as the air half. I refuse to learn "newspeak". Stuntman > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > Sorry, but no. > "If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again," Edwards said." > > "IF we do the work in this country..." > > Which means, the research work we, as a nation, are capable of.  The proper funding of all medical research,.  "IF"  > > We= the nation, > > Do the work.. > > " the work that we will do when John Kerry is President" > > A continuation of that same thought, funding research, in this instance stem cell as CR advocated for. > > "people like Christopher reeve will get out of that wheelchair and walk again." > > Yes..again note "IF WE DO the work this country is capable of" > > He is not promising a cure...he is not saying if Kerry is elected quads will walk...Words have meaning..,..how can anyone, yes anyone, not understand this sentence?  He is saying, we as a nation can find cures, but only so long as research is allowed... > > How many illnesses have been cured, by good ole US of A research? > > > > The general public can identify with CR ..moreso than if  he said a quadriplegic will get out of their chairs and walk."  How many AB's know what being a quad is? yet, they can make the basic connection if CR is used as the example. Which is what Edwards did. > > > > > > > > {{The best to you,}} Sherry > ' To be willing to March into Hell for a Heavenly cause" >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Stuntman >   To: Sherry ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >   Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:19 PM >   Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] vote for the right man for the right reason > > >   Looks like I was right. >   "Will" in the context he used it. Yes I was being a bit sarcastic. >   I may have paraphrased, but it was accurate. >   BTW it is time to start up "the Apathetic" party. >   We could really get out the vote. >   However, there is a little problem with global terrorism that needs to >   be eradicated first. >   I have no faith in a man who wants to run on his military record but >   refuses to release it. >   Bush inherited a lot of trouble. >   Had we not gone into Iraq, the O.F.F. Scandle might not have been >   uncovered. >   I'm not surprised France got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, >   along with Germany, Russia, China, and the head of the UN's O.F.F. >   These are the people komrade kerry wants for allies. >   Of course what can one expect from the ONLY US servicman honored in the >   Vietnam Communist mueseum.  >   Stuntman >   Sgt SAC USAF 1971-75 >   (Yes when it comes to Kerry it's personal) >      --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.749 / Virus Database: 501 - Release Date: 9/1/2004