Maybe I misrepresented my view.  I didn't mean to imply that we can bury all
of the cables, there is a necessity to have the really big power lines.  I
may be wrong, because I don't really know that much about electricity, but
the majority of problems in my area seem to be the result of trees falling
on power lines or the polls himself failing.

There are always transformers and other problems which occur periodically,
but much of this can be ameliorated by upgrading the power grid.

I don't know if they have the same program everywhere in the country, but
here we are required by law to call in and have someone come out to
delineate where all the lines are very on our property when we make
modifications to our land.  Not everyone does it, but I plan on doing it
whenever I plant something new.  It would be really expensive if I cut a
line while I had a Bush replaced.
Hopefully my comments didn't offend anyone.
Quadius

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:11 PM, <wheelch...@aol.com> wrote:

>  Amen Del
> Those numbers for Kentucky, Arkansas, Tennessee and Indiana were
> staggering.  I sincerely wish the best for those who have to work, restoring
> the power to all those without. May safety prevail.  And may all those who
> had to leave their homes return safely.
>
> On a side note, did anyone read about London being disABLED by 4 inches of
> snow.....
> Another sad story of Nature.
>
> Best Wishes
>
>  In a message dated 2/2/2009 2:03:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> delfin...@hotmail.com writes:
>
> what you fellows have is a lack of faith, lol... ol' John just dont have
> any faith in the news reports, as to how many folks have lost power...or the
> common mans ability to understand electricity.then theres Mr. JX that
> obviously doesent have any faith that ol' John knows what hes talking about.
> Jx Try to remember that if your going to try to enguage in a conversation
> with " Spock" you need to know something about Vulcans. They look at things
> logically and base ther opinions on the "Linemen Rodeo" once a year in the
> fall in Kansas, where linemen from North America meet and challenge each
> other in contest for 3 days.   He doesn't live there and if he did he
> couldn't get out any eaiser than anyone else. therefore it would be hard to
> count those without power. but you make sure you keep in touch with your
> family and make sure they are ok.
> Peace, Del
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: wheelch...@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:39:50 -0500
> To: quad-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: [QUAD-L] Europe and power in Kentucky, too much in accomodations,
>
> I think you are entitled to your comments my friend, but I believe you went
> over the edge a bit with your comments and.... salutations..........
> I would rather read you brother's posting here then your comments as yours
> are emotional and your brother would be speaking from experience... which is
> important.
>
> An act of Nature, is just that.  Whether its a tornado, hurricane, ice
> storm or flooding.  In most cases, it is impossible for man to keep
> upgrading equipment to meet those challenges and remain profitable.
>
> Most lineman, especially the union lineman, work in restoring power...until
> they are released by the company that pays their salary.  Linemen are well
> paid for their services even those they have one
> of the most dangerous jobs in the labor market.  I try to attend the
> "Linemen Rodeo" once a year in the fall in Kansas, where linemen from North
> America meet and challenge each other in contest for 3 days.  It is quite a
> sight too.
>
> The poles, lines and service is provided by the power company which sets
> the work rules and standards for equipment.  Line workers and supervisors
> have no say so on the poles or the wires/lines the utility companies use.
> I've heard complaints from several linemen about the general condition of
> their equipment and how their companies are operated and often it is
> expressed that the union linemen feel that company they worked for took
> better care of their lines, poles, towers and transmission sub-station.  In
> any business that is not unusual.
>
> Once again, I'd rather read it from your brother 1st hand, then a relative
> speaking with 2nd hand information.
> You might be right in your assessment, but you got to present it with a bit
> more class.
>
> Best Wishes
>
>
>
>  In a message dated 2/2/2009 9:09:09 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> jxcoo...@yahoo.com writes:
>
> ''i don't mean to offend anyone,''
>
> Well, you just did ...
>
> ''but the power lines in kentucky are old and nobody wants to pay increased
> taxes.''
>
> And you know this how?
>
> ''I don't believe that many people lost power there. There aren't that many
> there that know about electricity.''
>
> My brother runs a power crew here in KY, and he'd like a word with you
> about the number of poles, not lines, that are down.  I believe he'd also
> like to discuss 'who knows what' about electricity.
>
> Fuk koff you you stereotyping waste of space.
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* John S. <alcibiat...@yahoo.com>
> *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 1, 2009 5:16:54 PM
> *Subject:* [QUAD-L] Europe and power in Kentucky, too much in
> accomodations,
>
>  i don't mean to offend anyone, but the power lines in kentucky are old
> and nobody wants to pay increased taxes. I don't believe that many people
> lost power there. There aren't that many there that know about electricity.
> When the houses are connected it is easy to run  power lines from one
> basement to the next as much of Europe does, but they have power outages
> too. They also have power lines and transformers that did not exist until
> the 1950's when the Marshal Plan payed to install them all. High tension
> lines still criss cross most countrysides there and they have nationalized
> power. It should be better, it is all much newer.
> My brother in law sends crews out to check water pumps and instead of
> writing a report they use a camera and a computer to send the images back to
> the high paid goof offs to see if they need to get up nd go fix something.
> How is the guy in the wheelchair that much different.
> The big problem with running high power lines under ground is simple.
> People cut natural gas feeder lines every day. How often do you think they'd
> slice up power lines? Then you have to ventilate the transformers. Those
> would be a thrill to get out of the ground after they explode. 90% of all
> power outages wouldn't happen if people would keep trees away from them. Ice
> is a pretty rare problem by itself. When tree limbs are attached you get
> problems. people simply will not trim trees just because they might knock
> out power. Now. start fining people when there tree knocks out powr and it
> might get taken care of, but with all the foreclosures, you cant expect
> banks to even know there is a tree. If your car take outa pole with power
> lines you get a bill from e power company.
> The best and most realistic solution is to get off the grid.
>
> john
>
>
>
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