on 22/12/2002, Sque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael Dawe wrote:
> 
>> (All ID Dooms 1 - 2) run resonably OK on a Quadra w/FPU. *AND 72 pin RAM*.
>> OK, so I think my Q700 is bit of a slug and only good for running BSD ;-)
>> 
> 
> So it runs but slowly on a Q700? Mine's running 7.5  it seems playable
> if you can put up with the screen size trade off for speed, not the
> worst 68k port I've played. Wonder if a kick back to 7.1 would help at
> all. Not a great deal I'd guess but maybe someone knows for sure. Cant
> find the multiplayer option in DoomI, not sure if I'm missing something
> or just used to entering everything via command line. ;)

>From my Mac "Ultimate Doom" read me:

**/In order to ensure that you are giving DOOM II as much memory as
possible, press "S" or "M" (Single or Multiplayer) when you see the logo
screens appear after launching DOOM II. Turn on the "Kill Finder and Other
Applications" options to free more memory for the System Software (which
includes QuickTime)"/**

Notice how it says "Doom II" (more on that, later).

7.1 is the "bee's knees" of mac OS's. Honestly, it kicks ass.
If you need to free up memory to do other things, work or play. AND your
computer can run on SSW 7.1, go for it; You will notice snappier performance
if you're used to running 7.5 to 8.1 on the same machine.

Having said that, my Q700 is slower than my Q650. I put it down to 30 pin
SIMMs But more so, I believe it's the weird on-board Q700 video memory
that's the *real* culprit. I guess a faster CPU and RAM in the 650 has an
effect too.
 
>>> Do you use a different port of Doom or ID's?
>>> 
>>> 
>> Yes, I'm playing Legacy Doom, a DOS port on a Pentium 166 running DOS 6x.
>> There are recent ports of Legacy to several platforms including OS X, so I
>> guess this where the most activity in the DOOM source code is, at present.
>> 
> 
> About as different as they come. :) Ive got legacy installed but usually
> run jDoom who dont seem to do any mac ports but the min requirement is a
> P166 if your interested. Do you have Legacy's address my old links not
> working

Legacy is here: <http://legacy.newdoom.com/>

> I've a cd's full of custom wads, looks like thats wasted on a mac. I
> dont suppose there's a mac68k doom launcher around somewhere?

If you have MacDoom (1, Ultimate, or 2) you can play any custom WAD file, no
conversion required.

Ultimate is the "go-between". Using the Doom WAD supplied with Ultimate you
can play any Doom 1 custom WAD. But swap the supplied Doom.WAD with a
Doom2.WAD (from any platform) you get Doom 2, plus you can play any Doom 2
custom WAD along with it.

Also... and it was a blast discovering this; The Mac Ultimate Doom also
shipped with updaters for the DOS side of things on it's CD, so you could
play with PC owners and not have conflicts. My huge discovery of 2002 (only
about 6 weeks back in fact) was, by taking the WAD file that shipped with my
Mac Ultimate Doom and installing it into my PC's directory of the DOS
Shareware Doom 1, then running the ID supplied updater, Shareware Doom
converts to Ultimate Doom for DOS. Cool, this game is made for DOS so if I
want to, I can run this instead. But as I mentioned earlier, I'm preferring
Legacy Doom 130 on DOS for both Ultimate and Doom 2.
 
> Got a multi player game of Warcraft II going between a lombard and the
> Q700. The speed was ok but the game was weird. It had one character for
> each team in a field full of sheep, the mission task being "kill all
> enemy". Now since the two teams can co-operate that leaves a field of
> sheep? That can't be it, can it?  :)

Surely not, must be some coder's warped sense of humor, a Kiwi perhaps ;-)

Mike.


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