Burton Power do a heat blanket for the starter.
Bob Craig
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From: "Steve Kodz" <st...@h4-turbo.co.uk>
To: <quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: zetec engine fitting
There is a Ford heat shield for the front mount starter motor available, but
I've never tried it so cannot comment on how effective this would be.
Regards,
Steve
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On Tuesday 13 Sep 2011, Jim Hearne wrote:
Part of the problem is that many "new" cvh starter motors are actually
reconditioned.
And, the problem them causes them to run slow when they are hot
(insufficient clearances to allow for heat expansion) isn't checked for
during refurb.
I had several re-con ones on my 2+2 but all showed the same problem when
hot (and no, it wasn't a wiring / earth problem).
I eventually changed it to a much later design from the Mk3 Fiesta Zetec
and the problem was gone.
Jim
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From: <bobbycrai...@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:24 PM
To: <quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: zetec engine fitting
> Was this before the turbo conversion or after?
>
> I have a mildly tuned CVH with 4 branch manifold. Occasionally it
> would be sluggish to start when warm but had got a lot worse recently.
> I decided to remove and clean the starter to find that it was the
> original Ford one with a date of 10/1988 on it. I now have a new one in
> it place but can't really complain that the original failed after 23
> years.
>
>
>
> Bob Craig (Q2-267)
>
>>----Original Message----
>>
>>From: matt...@wastell.eu
>>
>>Date: 13/09/2011 11:12
>>
>>To: "quantumowners@googlegroups.com"<quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
>>
>>Subj: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: zetec engine fitting
>>
>>
>>
>>I have to say that I suffered no end of trouble with front mount
>>
> starter. A stall in traffic and not being able to start for a few mins
> being very embarrassing. Rear mounted starter no problems at all :-)
>
>>M
>>
>>On 13 Sep 2011, at 08:57, "Jim Hearne" <j...@quantums.info> wrote:
>>> The engine to bellhousing bolt locations are the same on the
>
> Silvertop Zetec, the Blacktop Zetec and the CVH, so you can fit a IB5
> Gearbox to all of them.
>
>>> If you use a Zetec with a rear starter on a IB5 gearbox with a front
>
> starter you will have a missing engine to gearbox bolt location on the
> rear of the engine but as Quantums are much lighter than the donor cars
> i've never worried about that.
>
>>> The sump casting is where there are some differences between the
>
> silvertop, black top and CVH bolt positions.
>
>>> But Matthews car has a Silvertop block fitted with a blacktop RS
>
> turbo sump (not a recommended conversion !!) and a IB5 gearbox with a
> rear starter.
>
>>> It needs some mods to the sump but it does fit.
>>>
>>> Remember the Escort RS Turbo engine was 130 bhp and it had no sump
>
> to gearbox fixings at all, the sump was pressed steel.
>
>>> So i don't really think a Quantum would.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've fitted a MTX75 4wd gearbox from a silvertop Zetec to a Focus
>
> ST170 blacktop engine and it was only the sump bolt locations that
> needed sorting out, it bolted straight onto the block.
>
>>> If you are fitting a Zetec i would recommend using the IB5 gearbox
>
> with the rear starter anyway as it gets the starter out from behind the
> exhaust, and most CVH engines owners know about the starters getting
> too hot.
>
>>> The rear starter IB5 gearbox can be found in the later Mk5 and MK6
>
> Escort Zetecs.
>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: "nigelp" <nigel...@tiscali.co.uk>
>>>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:25 PM
>>>
>>> To: "Quantum Owners Group" <quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: zetec engine fitting
>>>
>>>> As Matthew states the rocker cover is different, there are also a
>>>>
>>>> number of technical differences, The link below is a useful
>
> starting
>
>>>> point
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.burtonpower.com/tuning-guides/tuning-guide-pages/ford-zet
>>>> ec-e-tuning-guide.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure there are more doifferences and Jim probably has a godd
>>>> technical handle on them. The main ones I am aware of are;
>
> hydraulic
>
>>>> vs mechanical valve lifters; starter motor position - silver top
>>>>
>>>> matches CVH bell housing attachment, whereas black top has the
>
> starter
>
>>>> in a different location and reguires significant hacking to mate
>
> to
>
>>>> the standard bell housing -can be done with angle grinder and
>
> standard
>
>>>> drill and piston/ con rod differneces. There have been Quantum
>>>>
>>>> mechanics articles on the black top mods.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nigel
>>>>
>>>>
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