Here is the heated windscreen supplier https://www.heatedwindscreen.com/acatalog/ford-fiesta-clear-heated-windscreen.html
To the club website bods , can a link to that source be added somewhere perhaps? On Fri, 26 Mar 2021, 12:33 list...@liberator-systems.co.uk, < lists...@liberator-systems.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks to all for their input on ventilation question. > > Just to confirm my saloon suffered from internal misting up (front, side > and rear). I am currently rebuilding - most of the car is stripped apart > from dash & engine bay so now would be a good time to install any rear > vents/ducting to prevent future problems. Just before I took car off road > I was getting major water ingress - i.e. footwells soaked (misting was > happening before this though). A lot of this water was coming through glass > sunroof which had obvious signs of previous attempts to seal. Sunroof has > now been removed and replaced with bonded in blanking panel with roof > reinforced so no more water from there. > > Re; Front arch intakes - I had a quick look and it seemsf both wheel > arches already have covers at front - some sort of soft material. > > Re: B pillar vents - to those who have these do the openings go straight > through into door pillar cavity or is their any kind of fabric/mesh on the > back? I don't know whether to drill my holes out cleanly or not. The > effectiveness of these also seems a bit dubious to me (although QSC appreas > to contradict this when they warn about water being sucked in somehow > without blocking pillars?....). When car is moving I can see they are in a > low pressure area but with all interior trim fitted seems like cabin air > would have a pretty restricted path to exit? > > Re: Parcel shelf vents - I had also considered this but I would have > thought to be effective their needs to be a low pressure opening in boot > area somewhere to pull cabin air through. External rear quarter vents from > Buebird seems like they would work well to achieve this but I am not keen > chop body in visible area. I am thinking a simple tube type duct/vent > through boot floor may work - I already have boot mods for fuel pumps, > swirl pot, ARB mounts etc. so another mod will not matter there. > > Re: Heater leak - always a possibility but I don't think mine is leaking > (fingers crossed!). Since I stripped interior and dried it out there has > not been any further water in footwells (car is under cover now). With > engine running and cooling system under pressure this could change but at > moment I cannot start engine to test. > > Re: Heated windscreen - I always liked these in my Mondeos. Who supplies > these? Were they a Ford factory option for Fiesta Mk2? If my screen has to > come out (when I start chasing leaks) I would consider this if cost is not > too bad. > > Obviously any water in the cabin is going to cause condesation problems so > I will be trying to chase down any possible water entry points as I > rebuild. One obvious area looks like the front window rubbers - I have at > least a 5mm gap bewteen glass and rubber lip. > > John > > > > On Monday, 22 March 2021 at 22:40:59 UTC dar...@siepka.me.uk wrote: > >> I have a BMW 180A alternator fitted for just such a reason, that and the >> EPAS which also pulls loads of power too :-). >> Not sure whether that alternator will fit on a cvh or zetec mind you.... >> As fitted to N47 on e6x ,8x and 9x BMW and mini, cheaper than a fiesta >> unit ! >> >> Darren >> >> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 18:57 Derek Clews, <derek...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> That is huge on a standard alternator! Must take an hour of running to >>> recharge the battery after a cold morning start? >>> >>> Derek >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:52, Darren Siepka <dar...@siepka.me.uk> wrote: >>> >>> Ah no , this is an auxiliary heater matrix, runs on 12v from the car! >>> Pulls like 80a or so! >>> See piccys. >>> >>> Darren >>> >>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 13:37 Derek Clews, <derek...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On my 2+2 rebuild I am going to fit a sump heater to use 240V to >>>> preheat the oil in the engine to reduce wear and provide quicker heat for >>>> short journeys. At present I have to drive around 5 miles before the car >>>> is up to temperature. >>>> >>>> The energy required to heat water like you are doing using 12 V is a >>>> great deal. How does that even work? Or is it 240V as well? Reading it >>>> again you don't say. 240V only works when you are starting from home, not >>>> the works car park. >>>> >>>> On a really cold day start I have been known to runout a cord and mains >>>> fan heater to warm up the car before I go! >>>> >>>> Derek. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 13:16, Darren Siepka <dar...@siepka.me.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>> The electric elements as fitted to recent diesel OEM vehicles work >>>> amazingly! >>>> They do draw lots of leccy so beware. >>>> >>>> I have put one in supplement to the water radiator in my current 2+2 >>>> rebuild to enable near instant hot air upon startup , they reach temp in >>>> about 60seconds! >>>> I am using one from a focus/Volvo ( same parts) very simple to operate, >>>> a simple pwm signal sets the output, but there are other versions like the >>>> ones on Mk7 8 fiesta that use a multi wire approach to level setting. >>>> >>>> Darren >>>> >>>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 11:35 Derek Clews, <derek...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have taken the low tech approach and just crack the windows open as >>>>> necessary. Beginning to think the electric screen is the right idea. >>>>> Pity >>>>> they are only in clear colour as all my Q’s are light green glass. Put >>>>> have wondered about the latest generation of electric blower demisters. >>>>> Seems that are good enough for Caterham to get approved with only them >>>>> fitted. >>>>> >>>>> Derek >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 10:43, kynastonp . <kyna...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When I built my saloon people were complaining about misting of the >>>>> side and rear windows , the factory suggested fitting the astramax vent in >>>>> the rear of the door opening . I also fitted vents under the rear window >>>>> to >>>>> allow air through the parcel shelf and more vents from the sides of the >>>>> boot into the inner wing . Never had a problem after that . The vents some >>>>> people have fitted in the rear wings are from a Nissan bluebird from 1986 >>>>> onwards. >>>>> >>>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com <quantu...@googlegroups.com> on >>>>> behalf of Darren Siepka <dar...@siepka.me.uk> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 10:17:48 AM >>>>> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com <quantu...@googlegroups.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation >>>>> >>>>> Further to what Jim was saying about air pressure, >>>>> I was told that the venting assisted in making sufficient air movement >>>>> in the cabin to let the blower pull in air more easily whilst not causing >>>>> a >>>>> negative differential to the outside which would have encouraged leaks.. >>>>> I have the grey Slat type vents in my saloon door post. >>>>> >>>>> The best fix for windscreen misting would be to put an electric heated >>>>> screen in , which are a straight fit :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 10:05 Jim Hearne, <j...@quantums.info> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> My understand of the issue with the ventilation in the saloon was more >>>>> misting of the rear side windows and rear screen. >>>>> Hence the fitting of the vents in the B pillars (mine has those) or in >>>>> the rear quarters. >>>>> I don’t remember having any real issues on my saloon but it does also >>>>> have the splash guards in front of the front wheel arches. >>>>> >>>>> As you say, the only real exit from a unmodified saloon is via the >>>>> door hinge openings. >>>>> Although, remember when the door is shut 99% of that area is blocked >>>>> off by the other half of the hinge. >>>>> >>>>> I believe there have been cases of the bonded in glass popping out >>>>> when doors are slammed due to the air pressure. >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* 'Bill Allison' via Quantum Owners Group >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 21, 2021 8:12 PM >>>>> *To:* Quantum Owners Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> Am I correct in thinking that, like many Q saloon owners, you are >>>>> troubled with dampness in the cabin and the consequent high (in comparison >>>>> with mass-produced cars) tendency for windows to steam up and such? >>>>> >>>>> Prompted by a drive in torrential rain last year which caused the >>>>> windscreen to instantly and heavily steam up, reducing vision to near >>>>> zero, >>>>> I investigated and as a result modified my Q as follows, which has >>>>> resulted >>>>> in dramatic improvement. The mod is simple. Block off the heater air >>>>> intakes in the underside of the front wings just behind the headlights (I >>>>> used some nice springy closed cell polyurethane 50mm sponge cut oversize >>>>> to >>>>> the roughly triangular shape of the intakes). The heater now draws air >>>>> only >>>>> through the door hinge holes, where the air is relatively dry. The front >>>>> intakes, effectively within the wheel arch, drew not only moist air but >>>>> water droplets when driving in even quite light rain. Other owners have >>>>> fitted wing arch panels to shield the intakes from heavy tyre spray but I >>>>> believe that to be ineffective in the more extreme wet conditions. You >>>>> will >>>>> be wondering whether the area of the hinge openings is sufficient, as was >>>>> I, but although I was prepared to drill a couple of additional 30mm dia >>>>> holes each side that has not been necessary. The area of the hinge holes >>>>> is >>>>> approximately equal to the area of the gap around the lower (below >>>>> waistline) portion of the door and at 80cm2 each side appears to be >>>>> sufficient. >>>>> >>>>> B pillar vents - mine has them but I believe the only real benefit >>>>> is on the nearside, to prevent a build-up of petrol fume in the event of >>>>> an >>>>> imperfect seal in any of the filler pipe joins. >>>>> >>>>> If you would like a chat to discuss further, my contact details are >>>>> below. >>>>> >>>>> HTH >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> Bill Allison >>>>> Borders Group of Advanced Motorists >>>>> National Observer (Cars) >>>>> www.facebook.com/BordersAdvancedMotorists >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The contents of this message, and any attachments, may include >>>>> information that is private and confidential and should not be read by >>>>> persons other than the intended addressee(s). 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It also mentions that QSC are now using >>>>> Astramax >>>>> Van vents in same position and Graham Lindley used vents in rear wing >>>>> before rear lights. >>>>> So which, if any of these work? >>>>> >>>>> Inside the door pillar on mine the hole matrix seems to have been >>>>> covered with some semi airtight mesh (or what's left of it) - was this >>>>> standard or someone trying to block off the holes becuase it does not >>>>> work? >>>>> >>>>> The same QSC bulletin also states that with any of these methods the A >>>>> pillar tube alongside the windscreen must be blocked off with expanding >>>>> builders foam to form a dam to stop water getting in? - I guess there was >>>>> a >>>>> concern that low pressure would cause water to be sucked in but not clear >>>>> exactly where that was likely to occur. 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