Thanks for the response Troy and long live QC! :) Tamas
On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Troy Koelling <[email protected]> wrote: > No, this must have been a mistake. Quartz Composer is not deprecated, and > still fully supported in Mountain Lion. The bug reporting system, as you all > are aware is like a game of telephone and although I do not know how this > could have happened, I apologize for any confusion it has caused. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 13, 2013, at 10:59 AM, George Toledo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If QuartzComposer is, in fact, deprecated, I wish to encourage the >> appropriate representatives from Apple to make a public statement in a >> timely manner so as to give businesses that use this framework adequate time >> to refactor their code and find alternatives, if possible. I have the >> impression of a statement such as this being disclosed in Bug Reporter >> either means that the employee is either in err, very non-discrete, or that >> there has been a lack of timely communication between Apple and developers >> that use this framework about possible deprecation. >> >> I'll apologize in advance for the length of the following, but I think it's >> relevant and should every word should be carefully considered by whoever is >> in charge of this issue. >> >> Apple has an amazing technology with QuartzComposer. It's outstanding to be >> able to make QCPlugins and wrap up code for modular type of reuse. The >> ability to then be able to string those patches together and use the qtz >> file itself as a kind of "plugin" adds extreme flexibility that's simply >> unparalleled. No other Apple framework enables this. >> Consider that one could use a GLSL Shader patch, a GLSL Grid, and a Render >> in Image patch, with published image inputs and outputs, to replace the >> entire technology of Core Image with greater flexibility, and even more >> importantly, greater performance. Yet, that's only a sliver of what >> QuartzComposer actually enables programmers to quickly achieve, with the >> plus of using vetted pieces of code. >> >> In my time using QuartzComposer, I've used the technology as part of my >> toolset on projects for Nike, NBCUniversal, The Beastie Boys, Foo Fighters, >> Bon Jovi, Maroon 5, Prince, and many others. Most of my work is based in >> OpenGL, so it wouldn't be a big setback to not have QuartzComposer >> available, but in having used it on many projects I've been able to see what >> a great system it is and what an amazing technology Apple has. >> QuartzComposer has helped enable many novel and "first time ever" type >> events. I've also been able to setup a few things in QC, with the aid of >> OpenCL or the GLSL patch and hardware integration that are undoubtedly >> firsts in graphics computing as well as interactive experience. >> >> I've also used openFrameworks, Cinder, Processing, MaxMSP, and other >> "interactive programming" type frameworks/libraries/systems, and I don't >> think that any rival the strengths that are inherent to the QC system. Core >> Animation or SceneKit does not provide any kind of reasonable replacement. >> The only real replacement is just coding in pure Obj-C/OpenGL, which is ok >> by me, but probably not a great alternative for many developers who wish for >> a higher level API. >> >> In considering my use of QuartzComposer, the work of my peers that I >> directly know, and now seeing things like Facebook's use of QC, it makes me >> feel as though everyone is in on how great QC is except for Apple. I've seen >> Apple occasionally looking for people versed in openFrameworks, Processing, >> Cinder, etc., and it really drives home the point that "the grass is always >> greener". I've also noted a trend towards integration of QC-like facilities >> such as LFO, Interpolation, "chaining" shaders, being integrated into shader >> development environments. With the innovations happening in the realm of ray >> marching and WebGL, and considering that all of that could be easily >> programmed and setup in QC, it seems especially out of step for QC to ignore >> what they have in their hands. >> >> When I really dove into becoming a QuartzComposer power user, I was drawn to >> the innovation of kineme, and v002, who both made great plugins for >> QuartzComposer. I guess it's fair to say I became a really vocal kineme >> user, and have been a regular witness to the talents of Steve Mokris and >> Chris Wright. Anyone can go to kineme.net and see the formidable list of >> QuartzComposer plugins and QuartzComposer based Application that Chris >> Wright contributed while at kineme. >> >> The last real public murmur I remember about QuartzComposer from Apple, is >> what I assumed to be a press release about hiring Christopher Wright which >> mentioned all of this innovation from his work at kineme. >> >> It's staggering then, to consider how far we've come, to where the next >> public statement is someone who's working Bug Reporter at Apple, making an >> offhand remark of deprecation when no actual notice has been made to >> developers, paying or otherwise. >> >> What has happened in the interim? Why has the QuartzComposer technology not >> moved to iOS? How does a company go from hiring one of the most innovative >> contributors in a cutting edge technology, and go onto putting maybe 2 or 3 >> new features into that system in coming years? Did the technology go from >> being great to suddenly, not? Doubtful. This simply speaks to mismanagement, >> lack of insight, and mental limitation. >> >> As a consumer of Apple hardware, with my first computing experience being on >> a Lisa, I have to say, I love Apple stuff. It's great. However, it's not >> Apple's ads or product announcements that make the public feel like Apple is >> so relevant and cool; it's the fact that professionals in the realm of >> entertainment and media actually use Macs for professional activities. The >> first negative impact in this realm was with the acquisition of Logic and >> the software getting arguably less full featured. Then of course, the Final >> Cut X imbroglio, that still seems ongoing with bug fix after bug fix just to >> not have flashing green frames, not to mention the lack of native ability to >> load FXPlugins, instead using an odd QC-like with less features (oh the >> irony) "Motion 5" wrapper file. Now we're at the disclosure of possible QC >> deprecation, on a bug report regarding what is an embarrassingly easy thing >> to accomplish (loading 3D models), in a totally offhand and non-discreet >> way. Less than impressive, to say the least. >> >> Best regards, >> George Toledo >> >> >> On Apr 13, 2013, at 1:13 PM, CoGe - Tamas Nagy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I disagree too - I have an app which depends on QC actually... >>> >>> On Apr 13, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Gordon Apple <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I disagree with the statement that QC is purely a developer tool. To some >>>> extent, yes. However, we have a new product coming out where we include >>>> QC animated components. We planned on releasing compatible QC templates, >>>> which users could use to add their own personalized effects. If QC goes >>>> away, we will be very unhappy. :-( >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/13/13 3:49 AM, "Joshua Sophrin" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I could understand this if QC was a >>>>> Consumer product. But as it is purely a developer tool, what technology >>>>> is slated to take its place? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Quartzcomposer-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/quartzcomposer-dev/info%40cogevj.hu >>>> >>>> This email sent to [email protected] >>> >>> Tamas Nagy | Software Developer - CoGe VJ Software >>> www.cogevj.hu | www.facebook.com/cogevj | www.twitter.com/lumabeamerz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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