-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 10:37:02PM +0100, Achim Patzner wrote: > Am 08.11.2016 um 12:31 schrieb Andrew David Wong: > > >>> After template updated ask user at the console to shutdown current > > template. > > >> > > >>> "Shutdown current template [Y/n]" > > >> > > >> Currently tracking a very similar suggestion here: > > >> > > >> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/832 > > > > > Wouldn't a command-line tool qvm-update-template [--all] > > > [--shutdown-after-upgrade] <vm-name>[, <vm-name>]* be much more > > flexible? > > > > Yes, but I don't think the primarily goal of that ticket is flexibility. > > Rather, I think it's to implement a quality-of-life feature that will > > benefit users generally, including novice users who never touch the > > command-line. > > Maybe I should have added the (obviously in my eyes obvious) argument: > The current update-procedures are launched by a GUI-application and then > open a window that is asking questions which need keyboard interaction. > And in some cases the default answer (at least in Fedora) (which is > making things worse – at least the default Xterm is looking different > for Fedora and Debian) is not what you want. Or at least not what I want > (aborting the update). Now someone wants to add another bloody > interactive option that will require at least me to select the > non-default option.
I'd like to change this default - indeed it is very confusing, but I don't know how. The only related option is to accept automatically. Maybe this is the way to go? Personally I like to review list of packages to be updated, but I guess most users don't do that. > No. Thank you very much, but no. If someone is making things even more > like a text adventure they could just as well do it right, make the > update process command line based and give up interactive decisions in > favor of command line parameters to finally deliver a launch-and-forget > solution. That could be easily scripted without opening that barrel of salt. I think it's important to give the user some feedback. Fully automated updates are somehow broken in most tools[1] - this is why we have this terminal window, instead of just some progress bar or something even less intrusive. But automatically shutting down the template (after user have a chance to see update feedback) is a good idea. Something like "Press enter to shutdown template, or Ctrl-C to just close this window". [1] https://phabricator.whonix.org/T373 - -- Best Regards, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki Invisible Things Lab A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJYI7A9AAoJENuP0xzK19cslx4H/3JFzlpcZZxatNmBjcB9Fuuf gOgWK5iG8ql1ekKKYvGldOatjw3+c9pYGtY/u3jZTF5lrdifMO5kh1cbsnJ9EYJ8 Z7bjJ07Xa/3Now3fxfznBhe5tKpi+q6SqNjiGXNuSkZyoZqMfH+z1Zlv4FYXlft1 FlD5HpID7zJt90EAJVgQ5S1JAnDA++jmJDvIR/04H/LBiyCzJRrWw/4tctotzbOL wQa1pEa79Fz2fuw5UlWvkcGRMXR9H+Yu+oAJ0+TO/ObwGrSfwlqcOqg/qSNjFIm6 PAfxPM2iGuL/B0oRVi8ST2Zb50LLa5K5k2jCk8WGdBv2RisXMrXh2sJkLspwxeM= =dI89 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20161109232445.GW7073%40mail-itl. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
