On 01/12/2017 12:33 AM, Andrew David Wong wrote:
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On 2017-01-11 12:34, Andrew David Wong wrote:
On 01/11/17 11:04, [email protected] wrote:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/finally-revealed-cloudflare-has-been-fighting-nsls-years
Three main reasons:
1. We distrust the infrastructure anyway.
2. It's low-overhead (in terms of the time and work required for
administrative tasks).
3. It's free (as in beer).
On 2017-01-11 12:37, Alex wrote:
In my understanding of the article, cloudflare is trying to challenge
the secrecy around broad investigations (by challenging national
security letters), not the other way around, so I can't see what you are
lamenting, Taiidan... Would you care to explain?
I mistakenly thought that this was a new thread posing the question in
the subject line and providing a link to that article as a justification
for the question. After viewing the whole thread on Google Groups, I
realize that I've already answered the initial question. (I knew it
seemed familiar!)
This is what happens when people reply to threads without quoting any
part of the existing thread to provide context. :)
I second Alex's question. The article is clearly pro-Cloudflare from the
very first sentence.
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https://www.qubes-os.org
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I thought I would share this because it proves that they're fighting a
NSL and thus had one put in to action on them in the first place.
I realize that you enjoy the "free" services from them and that you lack
the money to use anything else, but it is just something to think about
regarding what happens when a handful of companies control almost the
entire internet and the bigger picture - what happens if a change of
management leads to them dropping the challenge? what companies simply
comply and we never hear about it?
A theoretical condition of doing business in country X (say china) would
be messing around with certain pages to provide bad advice and
contaminated software to people, you don't have to get the elite
security specialist types who take extraordinary precautions you simply
have to get the average joe who doesn't know anyone in real life who can
provide a real root of trust (even I don't)
The cloudflare captcha is clearly designed to fingerprint the user
(which works even with a generic DVM due to machine specs) or else it
wouldn't need javascript, it is obvious that they have a market interest
in tracking people even those who use VPN's.
I bet half the users on this mailing list have never considered the cost
of "free" so my goal is to get people thinking about it.
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