On Sunday, 2 April 2017 10:31:36 UTC+10, Eric wrote: > Most of the following removed for brevity: > > On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 4:37:15 AM UTC-8, Achim Patzner wrote: > > > > Point is: You can't buy a valid license without buying a machine with > > it. I guess you could buy *heaps* of Mac mini just to obtain licenses... > > Just like having to buy defective power supplies to get MagSafe > > connectors. And Apple does not attack the people breaking the licenses; > > they are usually aiming at those who enable others to break them (which > > I regard as a good thing). > > > > > > Achim > > > Most of seems a bit misinformed (or at least very confusingly worded), and > thankfully Apple's own SLA provides us with very direct answers: > > > "B. License from Mac App Store. If you obtained a license for the Apple > Software from the Mac App Store, then subject to the terms and conditions of > this License and as permitted by the Mac App Store Usage Rules set forth in > the App Store Terms and Conditions (http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/ww/) > (“Usage Rules”), you are granted a limited, non-transferable, non-exclusive > license: > > [several sections removed for brevity] > > (iii) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of > the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac > Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software." > > > This is the license for the NON-SERVER version of Mac OS X Lion, 10.7, and > every operating system since then has had a similar provision. This means > that yes, you do need to run it on Apple hardware, but you can run up to > three copies of OS X, or two in a virtual machine presuming you were using > Xen or ESXi. > > Macs have good VT-d and VT-x support, but since they don't use PS/2 for > trackpad and keyboard, or have a TPM, it would be a terrible platform to run > Qubes on (trust me, I've tried). Not to mention that HiDPI support is still a > work in progress - I miss my retina display something awful. > > > Which brings us to the real question, how do we get this to work on Qubes > today, on a non-Apple laptop? > > 1) accept that the developers will not work on making this happen, because > Mac hardware is not a good target for Qubes unless something changes, and the > dev's very limited time is much better spent elsewhere, especially given the > potential for SLA abuse. I for one would much rather see Qubes 4 ship, than > have macOS patches land. > > 2) accept *individual* responsibility for breaking a software license > agreement. > > 3) try to make it work (not sure if those patches above still work in Xen > 4.7, but Xen 4.7 might also have some of the newer code needed to make it > work). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > Also accept that if you have to patch Xen with code downloaded from a mailing > list, you're probably downgrading your dom0 security, and therefore the > overall system security, by a fair amount. > > 4) google a bunch (IIRC there is some info floating around on the QEMU > mailing list that might help). > > 5) celebrate or drink, depending on the outcome. possibly both.
The thing about the licensing is that IF you get permission from Apple to use the OS under Qubes then you can. Even if it is not on Apple Hardware. If you get permission to do so then you can. There is no issue there. 1. The developers won't make it happen because they think it's breaking the licensing to get permission to run it. 2. It isn't breaking the agreement if you have permission from Apple to do the specified things. 3. I have patches and all that allow it to work in 3.0, all that one has to do is update it to run properly on 4. But it can patch 3.1, however the updates in 3.2 mean the patches need to be updated more. 4. Why use Google "a bunch" when you can just look on this forum and read this thread? 5. Do both, because you should always celebrate both successes and failures. >From failure, you learn, from success, not so much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/41e259da-2a73-430e-b384-4cfdaf35eae0%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
