https://blog.invisiblethings.org/2016/09/03/thoughts-about-orwl.html
I am curious as to what made you purchase this faux open source computer (please reply with detailed info)

The "ORWL" is a fraud - 100% marketing 0% real security/privacy, if I was you I would send it back and buy a KCMA-D8 or a TALOS 2 depending on how much performance you need and how much you are willing to spend. (D8 is FSF RYF and FSF RYF is pending for the T2, both have real open source firmware)

The firmware and hardware is entirely closed source and their marketing method of "reading it out to prove it hasn't been modified" relies in the cooperation of the firmware itself thus a modified firmware could simply send you a "clean" version as you aren't reading directly from a flash chip.

What "ORWL" mean by "open source hardware" is that they publish the layout files of the motherboard - thats it - there is nothing open source about the standard intel hardware they use.

It bothers me that people waste money on these slickly marketed frauds rather than spend on real libre hardware, some people even whine about the "overpriced" actual libre hardware but think nothing of spending 2K on a not really libre purism or what not - truly an example of the power of a slick marketing campaign.

My lord for the price of an "commercial grade ORWL" using crap standard (not even xeon) closed source intel hardware one could buy a TALOS 2, much much faster and for once actually open source hardware (one even has documentation on the POWER9 CPU and can modify the microcode as they please, thus entirely owner controlled) - another advantage of it being that one can use POWER-KVM and POWER-IOMMU virtualization technoogy to have many separate people using the same server with separate graphics cards, keyboards, mice, screens etc making the price palatable even for business desktop use.

(I only include recent hardware in this list, no one wants a X200)
Real open source hardware:
TALOS 2 (FYI this is fairly priced for server hardware in its performance class, it isn't meant for people who simply want an open source motherboard, of which a D8/D16 is better suited - it is meant for those who need extreme levels of performance and security) RYF cert pending on release
Novena laptop

Real open source firmware motherboards:
(No PSP/ME - can use coreboot with open source silicon init, vs purisms closed source silicon init coreboot)
KGPE-D16 - FSF RYF
KCMA-D8 - FSF RYF (this is what I use, $250 for mobo $40 for CPU and I play the latest games in a VM)
Lenovo G505S

If you don't have the cash for a T2 the D8/D16 have a quality feature-set including OpenBMC for open source remote management, one can also use them to play games in a VM as they have an IOMMU.

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