On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 06:28:36AM -0800, tggrps wrote:
> Thanks for the response - interesting to learn about the lacking Windows 
> guest support.
> Do you know which specific SMEs are using Qubes OS? (e.g. specific users I 
> can talk to) Interested in learning more from their experience pushing it to 
> more than a handful of users.
> 
> BTW - also see this article about Qubes OS (and others) that also claims 
> there's a big problem about hardware compatibility with Qubes OS making it 
> impractical for enterprises:
> https://www.brianmadden.com/opinion/client-virtualization-part-2-how-client-vms-have-evolved
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 1:23:29 PM UTC+2, unman wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:23:28PM -0800, tggrps wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > Did anyone try to use Qubes for enterprise use cases? e.g. for securing 
> > > access to sensitive resources? How did that end up?
> > > 
> > > Last time I looked at Qubes, it didn't have enterprise manageability 
> > > features and required users to be familiar with Linux, which is not 
> > > always the case with enterprise users. The HCL is also a bit of a concern 
> > > as enterprise laptops might not well support Linux (audio/video/docking 
> > > stations/wifi/power management...).
> > > 
> > > Details about your experience with Qubes today for enterprise users 
> > > (either power users or simple users) would be helpful!
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > 
> > Qubes has salt stack and some features for manageability.
> > Look here:
> > https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/salt
> > https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2017/06/27/qubes-admin-api
> > 
> > It does not require *users* to be familiar with Linux, but undoubtedly
> > admins do. I don't know what a power user is.
> > Sensible selection from the HCL make the choices somewhat limited, but
> > workable.
> > I know some SMEs that use Qubes, but the sysadmins are extremely
> > competent in Linux and Xen.
> > The biggest blocker to widespread adoption is the somewhat sketchy
> > support for Windows imo. (Win 7 support is generally good, but later?)
> 

Please don't top-post when mailing the list.
I know the admins who use Qubes watch this list - if they want to chip
in, they will.
I'd seen that article. I didnt find it particularly useful. I dont think
it's fair to say that Qubes has a problem with hardware compatibility,
any more than Linux has such a problem.
As I said, choosing the hardware is important.
If you commit to Qubes, then its simple to find hardware that works
well. Probably not the latest processors/mboards, but solid enterprise
laptops are available and work well. It's certainly true that you cant
pick *any* laptop and have a trouble free install/use, but frankly the
same goes for (e.g) Debian.

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