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On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 02:38:46PM -0400, Chris Laprise wrote:
> 
> I'm getting strangeness from the fedora-30 release:
> 
> 1. As soon as the template installed I started it and ran 'dnf update'. It
> downloaded repo data then said 'nothing to do'. Less than 2 minutes later I
> get a popup saying fedora-30 has updates available.... I run dnf update
> again and there are 219 packages to update.

This is dnf thinking metadata cache is up to date. dnf update --refresh
should do the job.

> 2. Trying to remove thunderbird, dnf wants to remove 67 packages incl. most
> of qubes*, nftables, salt, tinyproxy. It would be good to be able to remove
> thunderbird or other large apps without the OS crumbling to pieces.

Try dnf --setopt=clean_requirements_on_remove=0 remove thunderbird

clean_requirements_on_remove=True behaves like 'apt autoremove'. And
qubes-vm-recommended depends on thunderbird-qubes, which depends on
thunderbird. So when you remove thunderbird, qubes-vm-recommended needs
to be removed too.

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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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