"Richard B. Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Duplication is not particularly desirable but it's damned difficult to avoid! Each peer needs a minimum of four time sources. Providing four unique servers to each peer would require sixteen servers. It can be difficult to find even four really good servers for a site. There are many good servers out there but "good at the server" is not the same as "good, as delivered here". The Internet can really mess up the time as delivered at your site so the problem becomes one of finding servers with low latency and stable round trip delays.

Peers with more than one server do not just "track" one server. One server is selected as the primary source and the remaining "usable" servers act as an "advisory committee" having some small influence on the clock. See the RFC or Dave's "slide show" for the math; I'm sure the math is much more precise than my fumbling English translation thereof.

Ok, so I've taken a kind of aggressive approach to getting an 'ideal' setup. I used the list of public stratum 1 and stratum 2 clocks, and pulled all US entries that are A) Open and B) don't request notification. I've setup a dedicated box in my lab that does aggressive (burst, low interval) polling of my 4 existing ntp time sources, using them as a baseline. I've conf'd all the servers in the list I generated, setting min/max poll to 12 (34mins) so I don't abuse anyone. I've got a perl script going through and recording the observed offsets, latency, and jitter using RRDTool and plan to try and find 16 solid sources from that list.

I only have about 24 hours worth of data, but I've already spotted three trends. First are servers that tend to report offsets very close to what I'm getting as 'true' time from my 4 existing ntp servers, one of which is tracking ACTS. The second is a group of servers that all seem to have a systemic offset, but are otherwise quite stable. The third are all over the map.

I know the third group is garbage, but what about the systemic offset servers? I would think they would be usable to at least get frequency info from despite the offset, or should I avoid them as well and start contacting remote servers if I can't fill out my 16 slots using first pick servers?

Joshua Coombs
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