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------------------- Original Message -------------------
From: vom513 <vom...@gmail.com>;
Received: Sat Dec 03 2022 13:54:34 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
To: questions@lists.ntp.org;
Subject: [questions] Local ST 1 (GPS/GNSS) servers are consistently offset from 
internet ST1/2

Hello all,

This has been bugging me for a bit - but not enough till now to post a message 
:)

I have two boxes here at home (this is “hobbyist” grade gear, not big 
commercial appliances).  My hardware is:

SyncBOX - https://www.worldtimesolutions.com/products/gps_time_server.html
        This is connected to a small “Jetway” x86 mini PC via DB9 / real UART 
serial.

UPUTronics Pi Hat - https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-gps-hat
        It’s on a Pi obviously (3B I think)

Both of these appear to be very stable.  I graph the offset in MRTG and they 
both average about +/- 1-2 us.

However - when I compare them each individually to a list of about 10 public 
ST1 and ST2 servers, they both are averaging about -3.5 ms offset.  I did this 
with ntpdate -q and punched the values into Excel.

To also back this data up - I feed a public pool member with these two guys - 
and my graphs on the server management page also show ~ -3.5 ms offset.

(These are the same box…)

https://www.ntppool.org/scores/216.143.11.126
https://www.ntppool.org/scores/2607:ff70:11::10

Also - ignore the scatter up above 0.  I recently set prefer on both these guys 
to nail them down and track the pool graphs.

So while I guess 3ms isn’t the end of the world, I’m just scratching my head as 
to why both my boxes are consistent with this offset from the “world”.

I suppose I could config both to offset by this amount in their config, but 
that seems a bit heavy handed.  I’d much rather understand why they both 
converge at this offset.

Thanks in advance for any info and clue.

PS: Something I just thought of before I hit send… Both of these are behind my 
home cable modem.  And while the jitter is actually pretty good, I know there 
is inherent latency and jitter in most current DOCSIS networks.  I think DOCSIS 
3.1 has some really nice bufferbloat / latency / jitter “fixes” (AQM I think 
it’s called) - but my provider isn’t there yet (and I’m on Docsis 3.0 anyway).  
Could this be it ?
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