Re: QWS List conflicting notes in the note editor

Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700

Hmm, that's a good idea. but here's one I came up with. How about, instead of dinging and just stopping there, how about it dings as usual with a note conflict, but you could move past that and not have to maze your way through. For example, you have a c and a D, and you want to move the D down to a B. So, you take the D and press f5, it is a C sharp. Then you press f5 again and it dings letting you know it is crashing into the C, but you could still press f5 once more to move it past that. 
What do you think?

On 3/15/2012 7:15 PM, Simon Jaeger (Laptop) wrote:
Ok, that does make a lot of sense, and I see your reasoning for it. But if you don't want to put a user configurable option in, why not have it jump past the conflicting note and land on the next one it can find? That seems to make sense. 
----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES BOWDEN" <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: QWS List conflicting notes in the note editor



Hi,

Yes, I have encountered the problem of colliding notes when using the
Note Editor, but for me it's not too much of a problem.  When I've
encountered it, I often find that the notes shouldn't really overlap
anyway (e.g. on a bass part or single voice harmony part).   There are
a few ways around it, including:

1. Press Enter and enter value (or play a note on your keyboard).

2. Shorten length first so it doesn't collide.
3. Use the F7 F8 and then come back in from the other direction.
4. Delete other note and then put back...

But, as has been suggested, if you deliberately want overlapping
notes, I suggest using two tracks.

Ideally, I think notes should not overlap and I would be reluctant to
turn off the checking in the Note Editor.  Here's why:

First, on a conceptual level: once a key is down, it is impossible to
put it down a second time.

Second, different synths behave differently: if you play the same note
on twice and then release one of them, some will stop all of them
while others stop just one.
Third, it's ambiguous: This is my main reason why not to change it. Example: 
Let:
Note 1 starts at beat 1 and is 3 beats long.
Note 2 starts at beat 2 and is 1 beat long.

Now, assume you are editing note 1 and you raise the pitch until it
crashes into note 2.

Now, if I continue raising the pitch of note 1, what's going to
happen? you now have a note starting at beat 1 that lasts only 2 beats
and note 2 starting at beat 2 now also lasts 2 beats ... they have
stopped over the note off messages.  This is because it is impossible
to work out which of the note off messages belongs to which of the
note on messages.

Hope this helps.

James.





On 15/03/2012, Nicole Massey <[email protected]> wrote:
Nope, two channels won't do it, unless you mean two different tracks there. The Proteus is smart with how it separates channels. (And I'm still looking 
for that box in the garage that has my Proteus 3 soundfonts on it)

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Raymond Grote
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:19 PM
To: QWS list
Subject: Re: QWS List conflicting notes in the note editor

Hi,
You can do this by putting one note on one channel and another on another hannel. You can also pitch bend one of the tracks to get some interesting 
flanging effects.

On 3/14/2012 7:23 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:

I haven't run into this yet, but it's going to put a serious twist in
my knickers down the line, as note conflicts are sometimes a good
thing. For example, if you overlap two notes  in an E-mu proteus
module on the percussion map you get a flanged effect, and you can
control this with the amount of offset the notes have against each
other. This type of tonal control to add some interesting coloration
to a snare or tom (or just about anything else) is desirable.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Simon Jaeger (Laptop)
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:57 PM
To: QWS list
Subject: QWS List conflicting notes in the note editor

Being a bit of a perfectionist and not always having a midi controller
handy, I often find myself using the note editor to tweek midi files.
For the most part, I love the way the editor works and know of nothing
quite as simple to use. However, I have one, major problem with it.

If at any time I try to adjust a note to something that would conflict
with another note of the same value, it refuses to move. By adjust,
I'm referring to use of the f5 through f8 keys. I hear the widows
default sound, and the note doesn't change values at all. This makes
sense in principle, because of course nobody wants to have conflicting

notes.

But what if I want to change the pitch of a note, to a b, past a c,
and to a c sharp, and there happens to be a c in the way? Instead of
pressing the f6 key twice and being done with it, I have to press it,
hear the ding, realize there's a note in the way and then enter that
value manually, sometimes looking at the octave first to make sure I have 
it right.
I'm not sure how many others do this, but I'm imagining the number is low. 
QWS still remains one of the programs I know better than the back of
my hand, so I get things done in what I think is the most efficient
way possible. I'd very much like to see an option to disable note
conflict checking. After all, that is what the clean up option is for, in 
my opinion.

Perhaps, as a substitute, a clean-up could optionally be performed on
the selected track after the note editor is closed.

Thoughts?


Simon

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