A Roland support group may help. Also look for the Cakewalk definition file and 
that's a straightforward conversion using Gavin's little program.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Damien 
Garwood
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 5:52 PM
To: QWS list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: QWS List Instrument lists

Hi Nicole,
The DS comes in 61, 76 and 88 key machines, each one has the key number at the 
end of it, so I'm guessing they'll all have the same firmware and thus the same 
soundsets.
I can't seem to find a DS definition file, but then again my research skills 
aren't exactly up to scratch (Oftentimes I can't find something that other 
people have found in seconds).
The ini file is clear on the format of the lists (thank goodness), but it's 
deciphering the list on the manual that is the main issue.
Unfortunately, I don't have excel, and wouldn't know where to start in learning 
how to use it. If I can decipher the manual's notation, I'll probably write a 
script to automate it.
I have found the list of instruments in a manual called parameter lists, but 
after converting it from PDF into plaintext, the tables somehow became inverted 
and spread out into multiple lines, so I have a line full of numbers and a line 
full of instruments, then a line full of weird abbreviations, then more 
numbers, then some categories, and so on.
If I remember rightly, the same thing happened when I tried with my Yamaha 
keyboards some years ago.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 19/05/2020 09:44 pm, Nicole Massey wrote:
> What you want is a basic patch list with the bank and program numbers before 
> it. Everything else is unimportant for the most part. That said, there is one 
> area you might want to include, if it's a factor in the particular machine.  
> Some Roland gear uses multiple layers in a sound that subsequently reduce 
> available polyphony. It's useful to include that number at the end of the 
> patch name so you know why all those 4 layer sounds are cutting out. But this 
> may not even be a consideration on this machine, so check your manual to find 
> out if that particular instrument uses that feature.
> There's a way you might be able to save time though. It's a DS-88, 
> which to me implies that it might be an 88 key version of another synth from 
> their line. If that's the case and there's a definition file for it you're in 
> good shape. The next step is to find out if there's a Cakewalk definition 
> file for it. If so Gavin Grundling's Instavert can convert it to QWS format. 
> (This was a huge effort saver with my Kurzweil K2600 and my Wavestation SR) 
> But if you find no joy in those quarters, the basic format is channel, bank, 
> patch number, patch name. Certain non-alphanumeric characters throw an error, 
> and that requires shutting down and loading QWS to check for this.
> Coding your own set of definitions can be time consuming or fast and easy if 
> you know how to use Excel. I wrote a post here a while back explaining this 
> process, and a search on the list archives can pull it up for you. Hand 
> building one in a text editor is much slower.
> 
> Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
> Of Damien Garwood
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM
> To: QWS list <[email protected]>
> Subject: QWS List Instrument lists
> 
> Hi there,
> I've just got a Juno DS88, and I believe the downloadable instrument lists 
> only provide for a Juno-G and Juno Stage. Does anyone have a DS list they 
> would be willing to whiz across to me? If not, how would I go about 
> deciphering the list that is in the manual, bearing in mind, PDF, and all 
> that goes with it, including and the weird anomaly that is table format 
> inversion when converting to good old plaintext, and the fact that it 
> contains much more data than QWS needs that goes way over my head?
> Cheers.
> Damien.
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