Hi Joe and all,
I have used Komplete Kontrol instruments through QWS and VST Host and it
worked fairly well. There is, as has been suggested, a fair bit of setup
to do and I'm sure there could be several optimisations.
Joe, you mentioned you found the article on using VST instruments hard
to follow. Have you also discovered the podcast version? It's on the
Audio Downloads page:
http://www.andrelouis.com/qws/dlaudio.htm
This actually walks you through and demonstrates the process.
In the demo, I use two VST instruments, one is Kontakt.
There are all sorts of ways to route things these days, some prefer
Reaper, some Logic, some QWS - it's good we have this variety.
I trust this helps.
God bless,
James.
----Original Message----
From: [email protected]
Date: 23/06/21 17:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: QWS List virtual instruments
I'm partial to driver level sound font players like BassMIDI, because
that way I can replace laggy low quality OS synths.
Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Seth Lowman
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 10:40 AM
To: QWS list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: QWS List virtual instruments
You can get a plug-in now that solves the sound font issue to some
degree on the Mac. It’s called Juicy SF plug-in, end it runs in VST and
AU format. There are some slight bugs with it, as it is a new plug-in;
for example, it doesn’t quite handle cut off, resonance, and ADSR
messages properly, but it uses the same engine as Synth Font, and it
gets the job done when you need it. There is a slight accessibility
problem, but I found out that by going to the far side of the plug-in
window moving my mouse down slightly and clicking, I am able to load
sound fonts; once I’ve done that, I save them as Logic presets. I have
copies of this plug-in installer for Mac and windows if anybody is
interested, as the website is a bit goofy to navigate.
God bless!
Seth
On Jun 23, 2021, at 12:45 AM, Katherine Todd <[email protected]>
wrote:
Thanks for that, I love QWS, but also love Komplete and wish the two
could get along. I do not like reaper so much. It's a great program...
just... I got so much more done before. So I'm gonna try that!!!
Katy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Jaeger" <[email protected]>
To: "QWS list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: QWS List virtual instruments
I relate to this entire e-mail in a serious way. I think one of the
reasons I stopped composing so much was because I bought into the Logic
/ Reaper / Komplete / fancypants newfangled musical stuff™ scene. And it
has its place; Komplete is seriously amazing. But I still fly around QWS
and hesitantly walk around Reaper (at least for MIDI editing). One thing
you can do is define QWS as an external editor for MIDI files and have
it use a loopback device routed to Reaper by default. In conjunction
with the setting that automatically arms tracks as you select them, you
could then have QWS send the output back into Reaper automatically, so
you kind of get the best of both worlds. I think the only disadvantage
to this method is that tempo information doesn't get included in MIDI
takes. And speaking of takes, the default ctrl+e action in Reaper is to
open a *copy* of an item in the external editor, so once you save that
item and close QWS, you'll have a second take in Reaper. It's like
version control for your music. I've only just started to play with this
as an option for MIDI editing, so I may make other good or bad
discoveries along the way.
On 6/22/2021 10:24 AM, raymond grote wrote:
Tbh the articles on using VST Host with qWS are relevant, but not
many people seem to do it this way anymore because everyone has
Komplete and are transitioning to Reaper. Not to say VST Host is
useless, it's just not the only option anymore.
I don't have Komplete, but I still use Reaper a lot. What I do these
days is to use Reaper instead of VSt Host. I personally find Reaper
more stable and easier for me to tweak sounds with, and it eases
Reaper's learning curve a bit. I still use QWS to sequence with vsts.
Komplete lovers will probably hate me, but I'm still in that
transition phase. I've been in that for years because I find Reaper
too daunting to get used to sequencing with it. I"m slowly trying and
learning some tricks, but I'm so much faster with QWS it's not even
funny.
Granted Seth is very much right that once you start doing anything
serious with a bunch of vsts, you're going to want to do it in Reaper
as much as you can. I have personal experience with the pain of
routing through virtual midi cables and using QWS. It can certainly
be done, but gets annoying to say the least.
On 6/22/21, Seth Lowman <[email protected]> wrote:
Oh, and the KK packages vary depending on which one you get. I
believe the smallest one offers a few pianos and synthesizers, while
the largest one, Komplete CE offers the entire gamut, from pianos
and synthesizers, to drums, guitar, basses, orchestral instruments,
etc. now that I’m thinking about it, you could probably make KK
work with QWS, though you would have to use a virtual midi loop
cable such as Midi Yolk or Loopbe1. You won’t need VST host though,
as KK has its own standalone application. However, using it that
way seems like it would be extremely complicated, as you would have
to do things with instances and all sorts of other goofiness in
order to make it all work. The best way to use KK is to use it in
reaper or logic, as those programs have built-in support for KK. Of
course, if anybody else knows more about using it with QWS, please chime
in.
God bless!
Seth
On Jun 22, 2021, at 8:44 AM, Joe Giovanelli <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, Seth,
The instrument is a Medeli sp-4200. Believe it or not, the MIDI
implementation chart shows that controler 122 is crossed out.
What do these "complete packages" offer? Do they avoid Loopmidi and
Vsthost?
What do they cost?
God bless you as well.
Joe G.
On 6/22/2021 11:35 AM, Seth Lowman wrote:
Every keyboard should now have the ability to turn off local,
unless it’s something really stupid cheap like a $50 RadioShack
keyboard from the past. What model keyboard did you get? It should
say in the manual how to turn off local.
As far as virtual instruments go, your best bet is going to be to
purchase one of the Komplete packages, and a A49 or S49 controller
from Native Instruments so you can access the parameters. There
are several versions of the Komplete package, some of which only
have a few instruments while others have literally hundreds of
instruments. I currently own Komplete
12 CE, and I’m looking at upgrading to 13. This package is amazing!
There are so many instruments I haven’t even gotten a chance to
work with all of them.
God bless!
Seth
On Jun 22, 2021, at 7:32 AM, Joe Giovanelli <[email protected]> wrote:
Good morning,
The new music keyboard is very nice and at a cost of only $500. The
problem is that it does not have thie ability to turn off Local.
Some of its 600 sounds are very good but, under the circumstances,
useless.
For this reason I am forced to obtain virtual sounds.
I foun d an article on the QWS site which discusses Loopmidi and
Vsthost.
The instructions for using these programs to set up virtual
instruments are rather brief and assume more knowledge than I possess.
I'm supposed to tell Loopmidi what ports I plan to use. Well, I
figure to select Proteus VX as my sound bank, but do I use that as the
port name?
I'm supposed to open Vsthost in Wave. Well, the closest I can find
is Use Bank.
I believe I was able to delete the Input port in QWS. That is as
far as I could get.
I will appreciate any help you ncan offer as to how to move forward
successfully with my search for virtual instruments.
I thank you very much for your help.
Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY
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