On 11/3/2009 9:49 AM, Michael Dewey wrote:
At 10:02 03/11/2009, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
Comment in line below
Duncan gave the definitive answer in an earlier reply: the active R
developers are no longer willing to support CHM help. It is not
open for discussion, period.
But three comments to ponder (but not discuss).
(a) CHM is unusable for many of us. A year or two ago Microsoft
disabled it on non-local drives via a Windows patch because of
security risks -- overnight it simply failed to work (no error, no
warning, just no response) in our computer labs. And this year CERT
issued a serious advisory on the CHM compiler that Microsoft has not
fixed (and apparently is not going to) -- so many of us are banned
from having it on a networked machine by company policy.
(b) CHM support was in the sources at the beginning of the 2.10.0
alpha testing. Not one user asked for it at that point, let alone
compiled it up and tested it. Since no one asked for it (not what
we had anticipated), the sources were cleaned up.
The main consultation over R development is the making available of
development versions for users to test out.
(c) We did ask for support for cross-compliation before removing it
(https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-devel/2009-January/051864.html):
no one responded but two shameless users months later whinged about
its removal on this list. That has left a sour taste and zero
enthusiasm for supporting things that no one is prepared even to
write in about when asked. Ask not what the R developers can do for
you, but what you can do for R development (and faithful alpha/beta
testing would be a start).
What would be involved in testing such versions? Do you want people
who are just regular users with limited computing skills like me, or
users living on the cutting edge of computational statistics?
I don't know what Brian would say, but I would like to see both of the
above groups testing, and familiar with the changes that are coming.
All you need to do is to download and install a test version and see if
anything goes wrong on your system.
> At what
stage in the process do pre-compiled versions (for Windows) come in?
Is there somewhere I should have looked this up?
There are announcements in the r-announce group when alpha or beta
versions are about to be released, but you can download the r-devel
builds any time to see what sort of things are going on, or subscribe to
the RSS feed of NEWS changes to it.
The main problem with watching R-devel is that often it contains
incomplete code, and some decisions aren't finalized until the end of
the alpha testing period. So please don't report things as bugs or
expect everything to be in its final state, but do point out things that
are causing problems.
Duncan Murdoch
One more comment inline.
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, John Fox wrote:
Dear Alexios and Duncan,
I think that there's one more thing to be said in favour of chm help, and
that's that its format is familiar to Windows users. I've been using html
help on Windows myself for a long time, but before R 2.10.0 recommended chm
help to new Windows users of R. That said, I expect that retaining chm help
just isn't worth the effort.
Regards,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: r-devel-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org]
On
Behalf Of alexios
Sent: November-01-09 6:05 PM
To: Duncan Murdoch
Cc: r-de...@stat.math.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [Rd] Request: bring back windows chm help support (PR#14034)
Duncan Murdoch wrote:
On 01/11/2009 5:47 PM, alexios wrote:
Peter Ehlers wrote:
Duncan Murdoch wrote:
On 31/10/2009 6:05 PM, alex...@4dscape.com wrote:
Full_Name: alex galanos
Version: 2.10.0
OS: windows vista
Submission from: (NULL) (86.11.78.110)
I respectfully request that the chm help support for windows, which
was very
convenient, be reinstated...couldn't an online poll have been
conducted to gauge
the support of this format by window's users?
First, I don't think that complaints are bugs.
Secondly, why not give the new format a chance. Personally, I
like it. Thanks, Duncan.
-Peter Ehlers
It was not a complaint but a simple request, which given the presence
of a wishlist subdirectory I thought was appropriate to post.
Apologies if it came across as such.
It did, because you did not follow the instructions: from the FAQ:
There is a section of the bug repository for suggestions for
enhancements for R labelled 'wishlist'. Suggestions can be
submitted in the same ways as bugs, but please ensure that the
subject line makes clear that this is for the wishlist and not a bug
report, for example by starting with 'Wishlist:'.
--
Brian D. Ripley, rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk
Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/
University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self)
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