On Mar 4, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Jens Elkner wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 09:39:41AM -0600, Marc Schwartz wrote:
> 
>> There has been talk over the years of moving to Bugzilla, but I am not clear 
>> on present status.
> 
> IMHO Bugzilla is too challenging for normal users/human beeings (even
> developers are often not able to extract the info they need). So JIRA
> (http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/) might be a much better choice -
> usually it is not a problem to ask for and get a license for free for
> OpenSource projects ...

Jira was discussed a couple of years ago:

  http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/e5/devel/08/09/0006.html

I presume that the disposition towards non-FOSS platforms remains.

FWIW, the company that I work for uses Bugzilla (and SVN) on RHEL for our own 
internal development and bug/issue reporting processes. We have both clients 
and employees using our Bugzilla platform.

The key to having a successful result is not the software, but that the end 
users and developers can interact with a base of information that enables 
productive conversation. That places a certain burden on those reporting the 
bugs/issues to understand both when and how to report bugs, including providing 
sufficient information on the platform, versions, code and data to reliably 
reproduce the issue observed.

As we frequently see on both R-Help and R-Devel, in my mind, that is the 
limiting characteristic. With bug.report(), we still have issues and that is 
arguably independent of the host bug management system.

I would argue that if there was a somewhat bigger hurdle in place to bug 
reporting that compelled folks to post to R-Help first, before filing a formal 
bug report, that this would not be a bad outcome. Whatever the host system may 
be, a member of R Core will still need to manually process the report, adding 
to their overhead. Reducing the number of false positives would be helpful.

Marc

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