Peter Dalgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Bela Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm still not quite there with my H-F (G-G) correction code. I have it
> > working for the main effects, but I just can't figure out how to do it
> > for the effect interactions. The thing I really don't know (and can't
> > find anything about) is how to calculate the covariance matrix for the
> > interaction between the two (or even n) main factors.
> > I've looked through some books here and I've tried everything that came
> > to my mind, but I can't seem to be able to figure out an algorithm that
> > does it for me.
> >
> > Could anyone give me a hint about how I could do this?
> > (I'll append my code at the end, in case that helps in any way...)
>
> I have given it to you before: My plan is to drop the explicit formula
> involving on/off diagonal elements of S and go directly at Box (1954),
> theorems 3.1 and 6.1, involving eigenvalues of TST', where T is the
> relevant residual operator. In the case where one of the factors have
> only two levels, I believe you just take differences and use the usual
> formula, but more than two levels is tricky.
[moved to r-devel since this is getting technical]
Now I am getting confused: I can reproduce the G-G epsilon in all the
cases I have tried but the H-F epsilon eludes me. Consider this SAS
code
proc glm;
model bmc1-bmc7= / nouni;
repeated visit 7/printe;
This ends up with
Greenhouse-Geisser Epsilon 0.6047
Huynh-Feldt Epsilon 0.7466
This makes OK sense since there are 22 observations
> (22*6*0.6047 -2)/(6*(21-6*.6047))
[1] 0.7466162
However, consider the following small change:
proc glm;
class grp;
model bmc1-bmc7= grp / nouni;
repeated visit 7/printe;
Now I get
Greenhouse-Geisser Epsilon 0.6677
Huynh-Feldt Epsilon 0.8976
Since we have one less DF for the covariance matrix, I would expect
that the H-F epsilon would be
> (21*6*0.6677)/(6*(20-6*.6677))
[1] 0.876696
The discrepancy gets worse as more covariates are added. If bmc1 is
moved to the rhs, I get
Greenhouse-Geisser Epsilon 0.6917
Huynh-Feldt Epsilon 0.9533
Where I would have expected
> (20*5*0.6917-2)/(5*(19-5*.6917))
[1] 0.8643953
Does anyone have a clue as to what is going on here? Is mighty SAS
simply doing the wrong thing? The G-G epsilon depends only on the
eigenvalues of the observed covariance matrix, so surely the H-F
correction should depend only on the dimension and the DF for the
empirical covariance matrix?
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