I played around with this a bit more and noticed that the "plinear"
algorithm of nls converged using nearly every starting value I tried. In fact
A = 0 was the only starting value that I could find that did not converge.
Note that with "plinear" you only specify the starting values for non-linear
parameters, in this case A, while the unnamed linear parameters are implied
as coefficients of the columns of the matrix defined in the rhs.
> nls(richness ~ cbind(1, area^A), start = c(A = 1), algorithm = "plinear")
Nonlinear regression model
model: richness ~ cbind(1, area^A)
data: parent.frame()
A .lin1 .lin2
-0.4464 33.9290 -33.4595
residual sum-of-squares: 8751
Number of iterations to convergence: 6
Achieved convergence tolerance: 4.968e-07
On Dec 2, 2007 4:06 PM, Gabor Grothendieck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK. Since the model is linear except for A lets use brute force to
> repeatedly evaluate the sum of squares for values of A between
> -2 and 2 proceeding in steps of .01 solving the other parameters using
> lm. That will give us better starting values and we should be able to
> use nls on that.
> > x <- seq(-2, 2, .01)
> > ss <- sapply(x, function(A) sum(resid(lm(richness ~ I(area^A)))^2))
> > plot(ss ~ x)
> > x[which.min(ss)]
> [1] -0.45
> > model.lm <- lm(richness ~ I(area^-0.45))
> > # use starting values based on lm and A = -0.45
> > st <- c(Const = coef(model.lm)[[1]], B = coef(model.lm)[[2]], A =
> > x[which.min(ss)])
> > nls(richness ~ Const+B*(area^A), st = st)
> Nonlinear regression model
> model: richness ~ Const + B * (area^A)
> data: parent.frame()
> Const B A
> 33.9289 -33.4595 -0.4464
> residual sum-of-squares: 8751
>
> Number of iterations to convergence: 2
> Achieved convergence tolerance: 3.368e-06
>
> Note that our A value is suspiciously close to A = -0.5 and sqrt(area)
> is length so I wonder if there is an argument based on units of
> measurement that might support a model of the form:
>
> richness = Const + B / sqrt(area)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2007 3:39 PM, Milton Cezar Ribeiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Gabor,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply.
> > In fact I am ajusting several models at same time, like linear, log-linear,
> > log-log, piecewise etc. One of the models are the power model. I really need
> > to fit a power model because it one of the hypothesis which have been
> > suggested on literature.
> >
> > In addition, there are other variables which are beeing tested as
> > explanatory.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > miltinho
> > ----- Mensagem original ----
> > De: Gabor Grothendieck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Para: Milton Cezar Ribeiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: R-help <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Enviadas: Domingo, 2 de Dezembro de 2007 17:28:23
> > Assunto: Re: [R] fitting "power model" in nls()
> >
> >
> >
> > Is that really the model we want? When we have problems sometimes
> > its just a sign that the model is not very good in the first place.
> >
> > plot(richness ~ area)
> >
> > shows most of the points crowded the left and just a few points out to
> > the right. This
> > does not seem like a very good pattern for model fitting.
> >
> > plot(richness ~ log(area))
> > plot(log(richness) ~ log(area))
> >
> > both look nicer.
> >
> > On Dec 2, 2007 2:08 PM, Milton Cezar Ribeiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > > I am still fighting against my "power model".
> > > I tryed several times to use nls() but I can´t run it.
> > > I am sending my variables and also the model which I would like to fit.
> > > As you can see, this "power model" is not the best model to be fit, but I
> > really need also to fit it.
> > >
> > > The model which I would like to fit is Richness = B*(Area^A)
> > >
> > >
> > richness<-c(44,36,31,39,38,26,37,33,34,48,25,22,44,5,9,13,17,15,21,10,16,22,13,20,9,15,14,21,23,23,32,29,20,
> > >
> > 26,31,4,20,25,24,32,23,33,34,23,28,30,10,29,40,10,8,12,13,14,56,47,44,37,27,17,32,31,26,23,31,34,
> > >
> > 37,32,26,37,28,38,35,27,34,35,32,27,22,23,13,28,13,22,45,33,46,37,21,28,38,21,18,21,18,24,18,23,22,
> > > 38,40,52,31,38,15,21)
> > >
> > area<-c(26.22,20.45,128.68,117.24,19.61,295.21,31.83,30.36,13.57,60.47,205.30,40.21,
> > > 7.99,1.18,5.40,13.37,4.51,36.61,7.56,10.30,7.29,9.54,6.93,12.60,
> > > 2.43,18.89,15.03,14.49,28.46,36.03,38.52,45.16,58.27,67.13,92.33,1.17,
> > >
> > 29.52,84.38,87.57,109.08,72.28,66.15,142.27,76.41,105.76,73.47,1.71,305.75,
> > > 325.78,3.71,6.48,19.26,3.69,6.27,1689.67,95.23,13.47,8.60,96.00,436.97,
> > >
> > 472.78,441.01,467.24,1169.11,1309.10,1905.16,135.92,438.25,526.68,88.88,31.43,21.22,
> > >
> > 640.88,14.09,28.91,103.38,178.99,120.76,161.15,137.38,158.31,179.36,214.36,187.05,
> > >
> > 140.92,258.42,85.86,47.70,44.09,18.04,127.84,1694.32,34.27,75.19,54.39,79.88,
> > > 63.84,82.24,88.23,202.66,148.93,641.76,20.45,145.31,27.52,30.70)
> > > plot(richness~area)
> > >
> > > I tryed to fit the following model:
> > >
> > > m1<-nls(richness ~ Const+B*(area^A))
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot,
> > > miltinho
> > > Brazil.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > para armazenamento!
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