On Wed, 18-Sep-2019 at 02:58PM -0700, Jeff Newmiller wrote: |> I think there is no confusion except in the minds of those with |> nothing better to do. I agree with Antirez, quoted in [1], which |> nevertheless indicates that perspective lost the debate.
I agree with Jeff. Automotive hydraulics have used terms such as 'master-cylinders' and 'slave-cylinders' without such an issue for a century or more. If we have nothing else to do, we might want to purge ESS of its so-called 'inferior processes', but it ain't me, Babe. BTW: I've used R for 20+ years and never used a --slave option. Should I get an award? |> Any accurate alternative notation will have similar connotations |> because in fact the "slave" side of that relationship is completely |> subordinate to the "master" side... there is no escaping that |> fact. It requires a very different and more complicated |> architecture to achieve a "peer" relationship, which often is not |> worth the effort or even appropriate. |> So while Dr Lang may be mollified by a change in notation, someone |> else is going to find the new words offensive and make the same PC |> argument since the implications of the architecture have not |> changed. In fact there should never have been a parallel drawn |> between the morality of human slavery and computing architectures |> to begin with. |> [1] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8x7akv/masterslave-terminology-was-removed-from-python-programming-language |> |> On September 18, 2019 11:57:32 AM PDT, "Patrick (Malone Quantitative)" <mal...@malonequantitative.com> wrote: |> >For what it's worth, this is an ongoing conversation in computer |> >science and engineering. And has been so for decades. |> > |> >Not R, but related to this it's only in the past few months that a |> >fork of the photo-manipulation software GIMP (slur for handicapped) |> >renames it (GLIMPSE). |> > |> >Note, I am not saying this isn't a battle worth fighting. |> > |> >On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:52 PM Benjamin Lang <benjamin.l...@crg.eu> |> >wrote: |> >> |> >> Dear R project, |> >> |> >> I have a very simple question: |> >> |> >> How, in late 2019, is there an option called "--slave" to "make R run |> >as |> >> quietly as possible"? |> >> |> >> Let me reiterate that it is 2019, i.e. "The Future", rather than 1970 |> >when |> >> R was presumably developed, based on its atrocious syntax, |> >documentation |> >> and usability (I think I only need to say "NaN", "NULL", and "NA"). |> >> |> >> This is a disgrace and it should have been addressed one or two |> >decades |> >> ago. Why not just "--quiet"? |> >> |> >> Please do not mention "backwards compatibility". For the historically |> >> inclined, it does not make much of a difference whether the term |> >evokes the |> >> Roman, Greek, American or modern kind of slavery for you: it is as |> >> disgusting as it gets. |> >> |> >> Thank you, |> >> Ben |> >> |> >> -- |> >> Benjamin Lang, PhD |> >> http://orcid.org/0000-0001-6358-8380 |> >> |> >> Marie Sklodowska-Curie Postdoctoral Fellow (MSCA-IF) |> >> Gene Function and Evolution (Dr. Gian Tartaglia) |> >> Centre for Genomic Regulation (CRG), Barcelona, Spain |> >> |> >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] |> >> |> >> ______________________________________________ |> >> R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see |> >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help |> >> PLEASE do read the posting guide |> >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html |> >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. |> > |> >______________________________________________ |> >R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see |> >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help |> >PLEASE do read the posting guide |> >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html |> >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. |> |> -- |> Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. |> |> ______________________________________________ |> R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see |> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help |> PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html |> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. ___ Patrick Connolly {~._.~} Great minds discuss ideas _( Y )_ Average minds discuss events (:_~*~_:) Small minds discuss people (_)-(_) ..... Eleanor Roosevelt ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.