Everyone needs to speak English exactly like I do or else they're doing
it wrong
:)
By I pronounce CRAN the same way that I pronounce the first half of
cranberry.
On 2022-05-04 20:24, Avi Gross via R-help wrote:
Extended discussion may be a waste but speaking for myself, I found it
highly enlightening to hear that many had a mental image of an
alternate way to pronounce CRAN as it so OBVIOUSLY had a natural way
to pronounce.
I often cringe when I listen to an audio book in the car and the
person chosen to narrate gets words not just wrong but very wrong as
in nobody in any country would likely pronounce it that way!
TV shows and elsewhere do the same. If someone asked me to check
if something was on see-ran or even see-are-a-en, it might take me a
moment to shift gears and realize they meant CRAN. There is no real
right or wrong way and we see organizations with names hard to
pronounce like FBI or CIA are often referred to with words like
Quantico or Langley based on an area they are associated with. People
like words they can hope to pronounce like the non-existent UNCLE or
even SMERSH and KAOS.
I will say it is quite logical if you see C-SPAN as see-span then CPAN
as C-PAN you might then see CRAN the way you do as C-RAN.
But consider the many functions and packages in a language like R and
ask if everyone thinks or pronounces them the way you do? How many
initially read runif() as run-if until you realized it was a
distribution of uniform random numbers in R as compared to rnorm() for
an R version of a normal distribution and thus maybe can be
pronounced more like r-unif and r-norm. Also, runif is part of a
related set of functions all having something to do with a uniform
distribution, dunif(), punif() and qunif() so, again, it hints to some
of a consistent way to speak them aloud. Of course, in written form,
they speak for themselves.
But not everything can or should be pronounced. We do not all speak
the same languages or the same way. Sometimes spelling things out as
C-R-A-N is a better way to go albeit if the others pronounce those
letters differently, you end up like people who think there is a
Hungarian word for something like vey-tsey to mean toilet when
it actually is spelled WC as in borrowed from the English Water Closet
and the way you say W as a letter of the alphabet followed by the way
you say C as a letter of the alphabet sounds ...
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lemon <drjimle...@gmail.com>
To: Stephen P. Molnar <s.mol...@sbcglobal.net>; r-help mailing list
<r-help@r-project.org>
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2022 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [R] Is there a canonical way to pronounce CRAN?
Perhaps not entirely a waste. Shots have been fired over less.
Allow the neologism 'packronym' to signify the packing of an acronym
into a pronounceable word.
(A necessary skill in the public service. If you cannot correctly
pronounce DFAT, resign yourself to menial labor)
If we endorse the anglophone packronym we get:
kræn
An Italian might lean toward:
tʃrɑn
while Spanish (the happiest language, they say) would produce:
krɛn
So Babel continues to amuse or enrage us, depending upon our emotional
disposition.
I dare not comment upon those who would laboriously spell it out as:
Charlie Romeo Alfa November
Jim
On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 4:05 AM Stephen P. Molnar
<s.mol...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yes, I know that I'm contributing, but what a waste of band width.
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