lme does not produce standard errors for the variance components like HLM does. It 
does produce SEs for the fixed effects, however, along with t-statistics and p-values, 
just like HLM. Use the summary() command to see these. 
 
When you do this, you will get the AIC, BIC, and loglik values. Just below this output 
will be the variance components for the random effects. But, the level 2 variance 
components are reported as standard deviations and SEs do not accompany these random 
effects.
 
In lme,  the residual is the within-group error, which is the sigma-squared in HLM.
 
In terms of lme, the plot(intervals) can be used to assess variability rather than the 
chi-square in HLM. 
 
 

        -----Original Message----- 
        From: Andrej Kveder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
        Sent: Wed 6/25/2003 5:24 PM 
        To: R-Help 
        Cc: 
        Subject: [R] within group variance of the coeficients in LME
        
        

        Dear listers, 

        I can't find the variance or se of the coefficients in a multilevel model 
        using lme. 

        I want to calculate a Chi square test statistics for the variability of the 
        coefficients across levels. I have a simple 2-level problem, where I want to 
        check weather a certain covariate varies across level 2 units. Pinheiro 
        Bates suggest just looking at the intervals or doing a rather conservative 
        ANOVA test in their book. I have also consultet Raudenbush Bryk on the 
        subject and they suggest using a Chi sqare statistics. It is defined as 
        follows: 

        SUM by j( (beta_hat_qj - y_hat_q0 - sum(y_hat_qs*w_sj))^2/V_hat_qqj) 

        beta are the within 2-level coffecients - got them with the coef() 
        y is a fixed effect or grand mean 
        the sum is for accounting of the level 2 predictors, that I don't presently 
        have, but will 
        the problem is V_hat_qqj which are the variances of the coefficients. 

        I can't get to them. Does anybody have an idea how to get to them? I would 
        really appreciate any suggestion. 

        Andrej 

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        Andrej Kveder, M.A. 
        researcher 
        Institute of Medical Sciences SRS SASA; Novi trg 2, SI-1000 Ljubljana, 
        Slovenia 
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