Greetings R-ers, A colleague and I have been exploring the behaviour of glmmPQL in R and S-PLUS 6 and we appear to get different results using the same code and the same data set, which worries us. I have checked the behaviour in R 1.7.1 (MacOS 9.2) and R. 1.9.0 (Windows 2000) and the results are the same, but differ from S-PLUS 6 with the latest Mass and nlme libraries (Windows XP).
Here is the R output: > fit <- glmmPQL(cbind(alive, setup-alive)~ inout, random=~1|family, >family=binomial, data=dat) Loading required package: nlme iteration 1 > fit2 <- glmmPQL(cbind(alive, setup-alive)~ 1, random=~1|family, >family=binomial, data=dat) iteration 1 iteration 2 > anova(fit) numDF denDF F-value p-value (Intercept) 1 17 4.711629 0.0444 inout 1 17 1.260877 0.2771 > anova(fit2) numDF denDF F-value p-value (Intercept) 1 18 4.800814 0.0418 > anova(fit, fit2) Model df AIC BIC logLik Test L.Ratio p-value fit 1 4 87.79085 94.12493 -39.89543 fit2 2 3 86.41927 91.16983 -40.20964 1 vs 2 0.628421 0.4279 > Here is the S-PLUS output: > m1 <- glmmPQL(cbind(alive, setup - alive)~ inout, data=dat, >random=~1|family, family = binomial) iteration 1 iteration 2 iteration 3 > anova(m1) numDF denDF F-value p-value (Intercept) 1 17 3.859334 0.0660 inout 1 17 1.971763 0.1783 > m2 <- glmmPQL(cbind(alive, setup - alive) ~ 1, data = dat, random = >~ 1 | family, family = binomial) iteration 1 iteration 2 iteration 3 iteration 4 > anova(m1, m2) Model df AIC BIC logLik Test L.Ratio p-value m1 1 4 87.00400 93.33808 -39.50200 m2 2 3 91.75447 96.50503 -42.87724 1 vs 2 6.75047 0.0094 Note that R and S-PLUS differ in the number of iterations. Also the logLikelihoods differ considerably too. Pinheiro and Bates argue that a likelihood-ratio test for fixed effects is not reliable ("anticonservative"), but I think that both packages should at least give the same answer!! I checked lmeControl() in R and S-PLUS and the settings for lme look the same on both platforms. Which output (if any) should we believe? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Simon Blomberg. School of Botany and Zoology The Australian National University Canberra, Australia. [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ______________________________________________ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html