On 19/ott/05, at 13:36, Martin Maechler wrote: >>>>>> "BDR" == Prof Brian Ripley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> on Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:58:20 +0100 (BST) writes: >>>>>> > > BDR> On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Jari Oksanen wrote: > >>> On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 13:13 -0700, Thomas Lumley wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Both for this and for working out why Tcl/Tk isn't >>>> installed you might be better off trying R-sig-mac >>>> rather than r-help >>>> >>>> >>> This is a very common piece of advice. However, this is >>> not what you would imagine if you read the description of >>> R-SIG-mac on the R home page: >>> > > BDR> It is not actually on the R home page or even on > BDR> www.r-project.org. I think you mean > > BDR> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > > BDR> This arises because the purpose of the list has changed > BDR> from > > BDR> R Special Interest Group on Macintosh Development > BDR> and Porting, both for MacOS 8.6 - 9.x and MacOS X > > BDR> I think a wording like R-sig-debian namely > > BDR> R Special Interest Group for MacOS X ports of R
Brian's definition seems appropriate to me nowadays and the (extended) disclaimer should include both development issues specific to OS X (ports, etc) and user feedback on R.app GUI (we don't want R.app bugs go into the R-bugs list), but NOT general R- help topics which should go to R-help indeed. I think we should keep the devel part in R-sig-Mac. I'm including Simon Urbanek and waiting for some reaction before "taking actions" on R-sig-mac. stefano > > BDR> would be better. > > yes, thank you both ---- IFF this is really the intention. > > Stefano Iacus is the maintainer (and initiator) of the list > and should say (and maybe ask on the R-SIG-Mac list) what he > (and the subscribers) really wants. > > >>> R-SIG-Mac R Special Interest Group on Mac Development >>> >>> This is very similar to the description of R-devel: >>> >>> This list is intended for questions and discussion about >>> code development in R. >>> >>> And that description is even more intimidating when you >>> read further: >>> >>> Questions likely to prompt discussion unintelligible to >>> non-programmers or topics that are too technical for >>> R-help's audience should go to R-devel >>> >>> Would it make sense to change the description of >>> R-SIG-mac so that it would welcome question on R usage in >>> Mac, instead of being a "Mac Devolepment" forum that >>> sounds like being "unintelligible to non-programmers"? >>> > > BDR> Which seems quite reasonable to me. The topics which > BDR> provoke this response usually are questions > BDR> unintelligible except to Mac sysadmins/programmers and > BDR> definitely `too technical for R-help's audience'. > > I agree. We shouldn't let R users on the Mac think that all > their questions should go to R-SIG-Mac. > Regular R questions should continue to come to R-help (or > R-devel) just as per the posting guide. > > Martin Maechler > > > BDR> -- Brian D. Ripley, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Professor of > BDR> Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ > BDR> University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 > BDR> South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA) Oxford OX1 3TG, > BDR> UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 > > > !DSPAM:43562fae226121420620285! > > ______________________________________________ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html