Ted wrote --

> Based on zillions of BM simulations we have done with DOS PDSIMUL,  
> you should never see a shift in mean value (versus starting value  
> at root of tree), unless you are intentionally modeling a trend.   
> Something must be wrong.

in response to Dean Adams:

>> For these simulations I generate a tree (in this
>     case a
>> perfectly-balanced tree) and simulate 100 data sets on the same
>> phylogeny using a particular initial BM rate parameter (sigma).
...
>> However, the most curious finding is that for all methods, as sigma
>> increases, so too does the mean trait value across the tips (and
>     the
>> converse occurs as sigma decreases). This observation is curious to
>     me,
>> as one should not see a predictable shift in the mean under
>     Brownian
>> motion.


Is it possible that the simulation is doing Brownian Motion on some
other scale, such as a log scale?   If one does BM on the logs and then
looks at the original phenotype scale, you *would* expect that as the
variance among species increases, so does the mean of the species
means.

Joe
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Joe Felsenstein      j...@gs.washington.edu
  Dept of Genome Sciences and Dept of Biology, Univ. of Washington,  
Box 5065, Seattle Wa 98195-5065


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