That's a wonderfully driven explanation :)

Btw, discourse.org is free and open source so we can have something like
discourse.racket.org on our own servers.

I understand that there's a strong feeling against it and if no need is
felt regarding the change - I'm okay with this and I'll drop the issue.


P.S. The "Inside Racket" series is amazing - I'm learning loads from that!
Thanks everyone)

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Neil Van Dyke <[email protected]> wrote:

> Email lists are still the best fully-open, privacy-respecting system we
> have for this right now.
>
> Everyone else either wants to own their users and monetize violating their
> users' privacy or their general power over users -- *or* they misunderstand
> the medium and technology, such that they don't realize that they are
> violating their users this way, without even getting paid for it.
>
> With the email lists, you can plug your own privacy-protecting, offline,
> distributed user agent into this, and do all sorts of things, including
> better threading, powerful rules-based scoring/ranking, automated
> collaborative filtering, and even autonomous behavior on your behalf.  Many
> people had this functionality 20 years ago, atop email and Usenet.
>
> Why most people don't know this: The first dotcom gold rush twisted how
> systems are architected, so that dotcoms could build themselves in as
> middlemen, snooping and having control over people.  And (only half-joking)
> a bunch of Californians started a convention of being all coked up on
> "performance enhancement" off-label abuse of prescription meds, which
> helped them to churn out more lines of shoddy code, without the annoying
> distractions of considering the impact and ethics of what they were doing.
> And then successive generations of new programmers came along, and mimicked
> what they saw, and were actively nudged by dotcoms' programming tutorials
> and toolkits and such, to do systems architecture in secretly user-hostile
> ways.
>
> (It's non-ideal that the Racket email lists are hosted by Google, at this
> time, but at least -- with the SMTP/POP/IMAP/etc. distributed architecture,
> designed before snooping and control became the dominant business model for
> dotcoms -- individual users still have the option of defeating intimate
> cross-site profiling in this instance.)
>
>

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