Hi Neil,

> this "friends of" effort seems to me to be mostly about PR.
Yes - I just copied the title from the Rust website.


   - John Carmac <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carmack>(Oculus CTO)
   wrote *'I just dumped the C++ server I wrote last year for a new one in
   Racket. May not scale, but it is winning for development even as a newbie.'*
   <https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/577877590070919168> (2015)


I hope this is OK?


>you can work on being able to back up a future argument of how Racket can
scale

I'm out of depth with this - can you help?

Stephen


On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Neil Van Dyke <[email protected]> wrote:

> Moving this from `racket-users`...
>
> It seems pretty clear the change was because the team responsible for
>> maintaining it changed it because they use C++:
>>
>
> I prefer to do engineering and science, rather than PR, but this "friends
> of" effort seems to me to be mostly about PR. If you're doing PR, then I
> think the above is not a safe assumption to make about readers'
> perceptions, and I also think there is a good potential spin here that you
> should consider making explicit:
>
>     in the category of Paul Graham startup mode rapid highly iterative
>>     "first version in Lisp"
>>
>>
> If you're doing PR, here might be an appropriate time to namedrop both
> Carmack and Graham a single sentence that suggests a category of industry
> application of Racket that would have startups using it from the start.  As
> well as used by established organizations that value "startup thinking"
> throughout, or within certain units/projects.
>
> You can craft your exact message with an engineer/scientist's sense of
> accuracy and constructiveness, and still get PR mileage out of it.  On the
> "friends of" page, and also turning around the somewhat sour note in that
> quoted thread.
>
> I think there's a legitimate engineering argument to be crafted here, not
> PR lies.  After that, you can work on being able to back up a future
> argument of how Racket can scale for after the startup's initial version,
> and keep delivering benefits, which I think is also possible, and maybe one
> of those hypothetical startups' contributions turn out to be key to that.
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