Can we please stop having posts about how the mailing list should work, unless that post contains the phrase "I volunteer"?
Maybe the mailing list archive fell out of Google search results because the archive itself fell off the web for a week or two. Because the archives were hosted on a machine that we manage, and that machine died. Yes, we should do things differently. But if we still had been managing the mailing lists through mailman the way we used to, the Racket lists would have been disabled entirely for a week or two. I understand frustration with some of our infrastructure, but the main developers of Racket can only do so much. For the mailing list specifically, the Racket community has failed to step up. At Mon, 20 May 2019 15:44:10 -0400, Neil Van Dyke wrote: > Sadly, I recommended wait&see before, but I think it's probably time to > move Racket email lists off of Google Groups, and also to resume hosting > the email archives on "racket-lang.org", ASAP. > > The last straw is that it looks like at least some posts (perhaps many) > to Racket lists are no longer findable in Google Groups, using Google > search itself.[*] > > This is bad for Racket effectiveness, promotion, and history. > > Even if this was a fluke, this isn't a good sign. (It's well-known in > industry that Google is willing to cancel even popular services, > sometimes replacing them with unpopular things. It could be that > priorities have already shifted away from Google Groups.) > > As for what to move to, it looks like some of the previous self-hosted > setup is probably still there, as hinted at on > "https://lists.racket-lang.org/". It will need someone to do the > sysadmin work for the one-time setup and move, and whatever operations > load is involved with MailMan (vs. the presumably lower load with Google > Groups). > > A separate task is recovering the missing years of archive, since around > May 2015. Hopefully, a couple people have complete archives from their > own personal subscriptions, in some format like mbox, and only has to > make sure that no non-public messages got in there, and to check the two > archives against each other (for confidence that nothing was missed). > > > [*] Yesterday, I tried to link to the canonical copy of a "racket-users" > post from late 2017, and the only Google hits were for > "mail-archive.com", nothing for Google Groups. Even when I went and > copied part of the Subject value from the "mail-archive.com" copy, and > searched for it verbatim on Google. I started to try to see whether > that particular post had simply been deleted from Google Groups, but did > not see a way to navigate by time (other than a very slow infinite > scroll back from today). I then tried some other searches for > "racket-users", and was not getting hits on Google Groups. I didn't > investigate this much. I also just reproduced this problem just now. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Racket Developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-dev/7bbb4772-f989-344a-4e7e-00aab4c2a2 > 8e%40neilvandyke.org. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-dev/20190520200251.B2CEB6500D3%40mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
