Ernie: Seems to me that Chris is on the money.
Let's look at types of colleges; some really do a good job of teaching values. I will agree with Chris about Hope College for starters, a school where I once gave a lecture. But let me toot my horn for Alice Lloyd College where I began my college teaching career. It wasn't / isn't a religious school but it has always been predicated on religious values and it is a place where all students work 15-20 hours per week as part of their "tuition." Mostly it is intended for Appalachian students with limited means, which is to say, students with little by way of academic background. Yet an above average number of graduates go on to enroll at UK and other universities. A very interesting experiment is also under way at Patrick Henry College, another small religion-based school. Granted, I have great reservation about the "fundamentalist" views that are prevalent at PHC and even more reservations with its overt pro-GOP biases, but its whole raison d'etre is to mobilize students to learn all they can via stress on Biblical values. Not a college per se is Naropa Institute in Boulder, Colorado, which functions like a college and which is based on Buddhist values. Lots of problems with the school, it has had its own sex scandals, but here is another case where, when Naropa functions as it was designed, we see positive results starting with religious premises. Berea College in Kentucky seems to be another example, also a school which serves Appalachian students and which stresses values derived from the Christian heritage of the mountains. The issue seems to be whether a large university can do likewise. I simply do not know, but maybe Liberty University provides an example, or possibly BYU. But you asked a VERY worthwhile question: Where is the college that promises you the skills you need to live a happy life? Does anybody even offer courses on sexual integrity, budgeting, abuse of power, or any of the other issues that regularly destroy lives, families, and careers? Why couldn't a new college / university seek to do exactly that? And I'd add still other essentials that are regularly overlooked in the curricula. For example "Psychology of Personal Relationships," "The Objective Study of Religion," and "Human Growth -what to expect at age 35, 50, and 70." Also: "Looking Ahead: The Job Market in 2025, 2040, and 2055." "Really it seems to be about idolizing 18th century European culture and the hobbies of the idle rich." Huh? That is almost the exact opposite of what I am talking about. Still, it would make good sense to re-examine education from the past to see if there are aspects of that kind of education we could use today, like the fact that education was considered incomplete in Victorian England unless in included teaching art skills. Billy ============================================== ________________________________ From: Chris Hahn <c...@2chahn.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:25 AM To: RadicalCentrism@googlegroups.com Cc: Billy Rojas Subject: RE: Values education Re: [RC] [ RC ] Aptitude vs. Achievement / The Problem of Two Cultures Ernie, Take a look at https://hope.edu/. I would argue that small liberal arts colleges, especially those with a religious compass, do an excellent job of teaching culture, values, and skills for a happy life. On top of that, they provide solid pathways in the sciences and humanities. [https://hope.edu/_resources/img/fb-img-2.png]<https://hope.edu/> Hope College<https://hope.edu/> hope.edu Chris -----Original Message----- From: radicalcentrism@googlegroups.com [mailto:radicalcentrism@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Centroids Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:08 PM To: RadicalCentrism@googlegroups.com Cc: Billy Rojas <1billyro...@buglephilosophy.com> Subject: Values education Re: [RC] [ RC ] Aptitude vs. Achievement / The Problem of Two Cultures Hi Billy, > misunderstand one of the main purposes of education itself, teaching culture > to men and women, teaching the value of culture, and teaching the best values > we can identify for our lives. I completely agree. The problem is I have yet to find any educational institution that actually is serious about doing that. Does anybody define precisely which values they are going to teach? Do they measure how well they do? Where is the college that promises you the skills you need to live a happy life? Does anybody even offer courses on sexual integrity, budgeting, abuse of power, or any of the other issues that regularly destroy lives, families, and careers? Do you know any colleges where you would say, “gosh I wish I had their values?” Which is why geeks like me think those schools that talk about values are really just blowing smoke To avoid actually be accountable for anything. Really it seems to be about idolizing 18th century European culture and the hobbies of the idle rich... E -- -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <RadicalCentrism@googlegroups.com> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to radicalcentrism+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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