http://orionvm.com.au are building an Australian based high availability cloud computing service.
I interviewed one of the founders, Sheng Yeo (here if your interested: http://twistsydney.com/2010/11/08/ep-2-cloud-computing-with-orionvms-sheng-yeo/). He talks about how Data sovereignty is one of the main drivers of demand, amongst other things). They have their own API, roughly compatible with Amazon & may still be looking for beta testers. Use the contact form on their website if your interested. On 17 November 2010 12:31, Ivan Vanderbyl <[email protected]> wrote: > I develop applications for the finance industry and in order to avoid > breaking license agreements with several government data providers (for > Individual and Company credit reporting, business records and fraud > prevention etc) we cannot host our applications outside of Australia, and > some even require written certification from our data centre that all our > data is located inside Australian shores. > > Personally I can see why they are so strict on it, especially when we might > consider moving some services to the cloud in Singapore and then contend > with the possibility of government instability, regulations which could > interrupt our business or give other parties access to our data. > > It would be awesome if AWS had a base in Australia. Hopefully one day. > > - > Ivan > > > On 17/11/2010, at 12:15 PM, Bodaniel Jeanes wrote: > > Yeah I completely agree. This seems like a security thing not a "omg all > the money is going outside australia" thing. I'd rather my important and > private information with big Australian corporations weren't hosted in > Singapore or elsewhere, to be honest... > [image: Bodaniel Jeanes] > *Bodaniel Jeanes* [image: LinkedIn] > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjeanes>[image: > Twitter] <http://twitter.com/bjeanes>[image: Tungle.me] > <http://tungle.me/bjeanes>[image: > Blog] <http://bjeanes.com/> > Whttp://bjeanes.com [email protected]+61412639224 > [image: Google Talk] [image: MSN] [image: Google Wave] [email protected] > [image: > Skype][image: AIM] bojeanes > > > > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Anthony Richardson < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I think the email is clear on this >> >> "Regulated institutions are reminded that, under the prudential >> standards on outsourcing, they are required to consult with APRA prior >> to entering into any offshoring agreement involving a material >> business activity." >> >> I think this makes sense and when you have a business that that may be >> susceptible to foreign government intervention this is entirely >> prudent and makes sense. I see nothing wrong with what APRA has said >> and think it is sensible to require a bank to consider and seek >> approval before doing something like putting massive amounts of >> banking information under the jurisdictional of a foreign government. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anthony >> >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Bayan Khalili <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > I didn't know that regulated institutions were so.. um.. regulated. >> > >> > If using cloud services are categorised as outsourcing, then would >> > using any other hosted services (email, issue trackers, project >> > management systems, etc) be included as well? >> > >> > How about sending a parcel overseas, or picking up the phone and >> > making an international call? Are these forms of offshore outsourcing >> > that require "...the regulator's tick of approval..."? Don't they >> > depend on services that are managed and owned by overseas >> > organisations? >> > >> > Bayan >> > >> > On Nov 17, 9:22 am, Clifford Heath <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hmmm. Relevant? I think so. >> >> >> >> Clifford Heath. >> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -------- Original Message -------- >> >> > Subject: Regulator warns Australia's finance industry on cloud risks >> >> > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 05:34:44 +1100 >> >> > From: Don McKenzie <[email protected]> >> >> > Newsgroups: aus.computers,aus.electronics >> >> >> >> > Regulator warns Australia's finance industry on cloud risks >> >> > By Brett Winterford on Nov 16, 2010 4:56 PM (12 hours ago) >> >> > ======================================================== >> >> >> >> > APRA's cloud computing fears published in open letter. >> >> >> >> > "The letter will prove a blow to U.S.-owned cloud computing >> >> > providers such as Amazon's EC2, Salesforce.com, Microsoft's Azure >> >> > and Google's App Engine - all of which to date are hosted elsewhere >> >> > in Asia." >> >> >> >> > Australian banking regulator APRA has written an open letter to the >> >> > financial services industry, urging executives to view cloud >> >> > computing as a new form of outsourcing or offshoring that requires >> >> > the regulator's tick of approval. >> >> >> >> > The rise of cloud computing has - as formerly expressed by CSC chief >> >> > technology officer Bob Hayward - "caught the regulator by surprise." >> >> >> >> > Earlier this year the regulator stepped in to apply pressure on one >> >> > wealth management firm that had endeavoured to migrate its CRM >> >> > system to Salesforce.com, hosted in Singapore. >> >> >> >> > Today's letter [PDF] - first reported on technology news site >> >> > Delimiter - reinforced APRA's view that cloud computing is still >> >> > untested technically and legally. >> >> >> >> > The regulator said organisations migrating services such as >> >> > messaging and calendaring, collaboration and CRM to the cloud be >> >> > concerned about serious risks to the business. >> >> >> >> > "While these applications may seem innocuous, the reality is that >> >> > they may form an integral part of an institution's core business >> >> > processes, including both approval and decision-making, and can be >> >> > material and critical to the ongoing operations of the institution," >> >> > APRA said in the letter. >> >> >> >> > "APRA has noted that its regulated institutions do not always >> >> > recognise the significance of cloud computing initiatives and fail >> >> > to acknowledge the outsourcing and/or offshoring elements in them," >> >> > the letter said. >> >> >> >> > "As a consequence, the initiatives are not being subjected to the >> >> > usual rigour of existing outsourcing and risk management frameworks, >> >> > and the board and senior management are not fully informed and >> >> > engaged. >> >> >> >> > "Regulated institutions are reminded that, under the prudential >> >> > standards on outsourcing, they are required to consult with APRA >> >> > prior to entering into any offshoring agreement involving a material >> >> > business activity." >> >> >> >> > APRA expects that any outsourcing project that could hinder an >> >> > organisation's ability to manage risks effectively or have a >> >> > "significant impact on the institution's business operations" >> >> > requires the regulator's approval. >> >> >> >> > Those wishing to embrace the cloud are required to undertake a >> >> > "comprehensive risk assessment" around the type of service, the >> >> > service provider and where it is located, and the "criticality and >> >> > sensitivity of the IT assets involved." >> >> >> >> > "APRA has observed that, to date, assessments of cloud computing >> >> > proposals typically lack sufficient consideration of these factors," >> >> > the letter said. >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.itnews.com.au/News/238817,regulator-warns-australias-finan... >> >> >> >> > Cheers Don... >> >> >> >> > ==================== >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> > Don McKenzie >> >> >> >> > Site Map: http://www.dontronics.com/sitemap >> >> > E-Mail Contact Page:http://www.dontronics.com/email >> >> > Web Camera Page: http://www.dontronics.com/webcam >> >> > No More Damn Spam: http://www.dontronics.com/spam >> >> >> >> > USB Isolator 1000VDC For Protecting Your PC OR Laptop >> >> >http://www.dontronics-shop.com/usb-iso-low-full-speed-usb- >> >> > isolator.html >> >> >> >> > These products will reduce in price by 5% every month: >> >> >http://www.dontronics-shop.com/minus-5-every-month.html >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> >> . >> > For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. >> > >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. 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