For full-stack integration tests, I'd try to do things through the UI (falling back to putting scenario-specific data straight into the DB only if there is a really good reason to break from full-stack). They're going to be relatively slow anyway.
Keep in mind that at that level of testing you can probably write scenarios that each assert correct behaviour of a bunch of stuff... you don't need to keep it to one assertion per scenario, so slow setup actions have more of a chance to earn their keep. Cheers, Chris On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Rohan <rohan.mitch...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Pat! > > On the topic of avoiding factories, I can see the benefit for unit tests, > but I'm curious about the recommendation for integration/acceptance specs, > where it seems that a complex tree of objects is often required, since by > definition, you're integrating many parts. I could see that being constructed > through a factory or a factory-like method, or directly through the UI > (which would be impractically slow and couple the spec to parts of the site > that aren't the focus of the test). Any thoughts? > > Rohan > > > On Wednesday, 7 May 2014 14:57:08 UTC+10, Pat Allan wrote: > >> The videos of last month’s talks are now online: >> >> Rhiana: https://vimeo.com/93790803 >> Steve: https://vimeo.com/93790802 >> Pete: https://vimeo.com/94119136 >> >> — >> Pat >> >> On 2 May 2014, at 11:59 am, Rohan <rohan.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Awesome, thanks! >> >> >> On Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:46:36 UTC+10, Pat Allan wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rohan >>> >>> The talks were definitely recorded, but they’ve not been uploaded yet. >>> >>> And while Pete did have some slides, they’re going to be far more useful >>> with the discussion around them. Hopefully we’ll have it online soon :) >>> >>> — >>> Pat >>> >>> On 30 Apr 2014, at 5:03 pm, Rohan <rohan.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I wasn't able to make it last Thursday, but as a fairly heavy factory >>> user, I'm interested in the alternative. Will talk videos be posted, or >>> Pete, do you have some slides you could post? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rohan >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, 19 April 2014 18:41:09 UTC+10, Pat Allan wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everyone >>>> >>>> The Melbourne Ruby meet will be happening this Thursday evening, with >>>> our usual array of entertaining talks, delicious food (Vietnamese finger >>>> food), tasty beverages (both with and without alcohol), and delightful >>>> company (featuring your fine selves). >>>> >>>> WHEN: Thursday 24th April, arrive at 6pm for a 6:30pm start. >>>> WHERE: Inspire9, Level 1, 41-43 Stewart Street >>>> WHAT: Four speakers, plus socialising, food and drinks. >>>> >>>> Our line-up this month is: >>>> >>>> * Duncan Bayne: Building and debugging native Ruby extensions >>>> * Pete Yandell: Why you shouldn’t use test factories >>>> * Rhiana Heath: Accessibility - more than just alt tags >>>> * Steve Gilles: So you've decided to run a RubyConf >>>> >>>> To aid with reliable catering numbers, if you can RSVP via Meetup (or >>>> ping me off-list if you’re not a fan of Meetup) that’d be brilliant :) >>>> http://www.meetup.com/Ruby-On-Rails-Oceania-Melbourne/events/173468172/ >>>> >>>> >>>> This month, food is sponsored by Envato, Lookahead Search and >>>> Redbubble, the drinks by Zendesk, and the space by Inspire9. All perfect >>>> candidates for our Prime Minister’s knights and dames of the realm. >>>> >>>> What’s the catch, I hear you ask? Well, you’re stuck with me hosting, >>>> as Mario’s off to share his wisdom at RailsConf in Chicago! 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