Razor, I have seen alot of problems with people losing emails if they have attachments. I know under procmail I can change the size of the message to stop some of this. I wanted to figure out what others do about this problem. If anyone has examples, I appreciate it.
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Re: Unable to use razor with spamassassin (Matt Kettler) > 9. Re: Unable to use razor with spamassassin (Jocelyn Fournier) > 10. Re: FW: ANNOUNCE: razor-agents 2.34 (mb/[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 11. Error 202 when reporting (Cam Ellison) > 12. Razor 2-3.4 installation (S. Anthony Sequeira) > 13. Re: Razor 2-3.4 installation (Theo Van Dinter) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:00:20 -0700 > From: "John J. Stimson-III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Razor-users] Razor script showing up in biff > > A few times recently, I have gotten a biff notification in my terminal > window which contained the start of the razor perl script instead of > the start of an email message. > > I'm a little concerned that this represents a malfunction in razor, > and that the biff message with the razor script indicates an incoming > message that was incorrectly processed and never got stored. None of > my mailboxes, spam or otherwise, has its modify time updated when this > occurs. > > I am using Razor agents v2.22 > > Has anyone else seen this behavior? > > -- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Stimson > http://www.idsfa.net/~john/ HMC Physics '94 > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:43:59 -0500 (CDT) > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Andrew J Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] reporting mail altered by spamassassin > > On Mon, 26 May 2003, Andrew J Caines wrote: > > > Matthias, > > > > > I want to report spam which doesnt get detected by spamassassin to the razor > > > system. ...But spamassassin adds additional headers to every mail so my > > > question is if I can pipe mails with these extra headers to razor-report or > > > if needs to be the original unchanged mail. > > > > Razor works on hashes of message bodies (See FAQ #2[1]), so as long as > > your SA setup doesn't alter the body there is no problem reporting these > > messages. > > As long as it's the body then I should be ok. I call SA from MD. I > insert a customized X-Spam-Score header. The only other odddity that SA > can't remove is the string I prepend to the Subject when the score is >= > 10. I can cut that out with sed though. I also strip out the ReSent > lines that are generated when I bounce the message from one of my regular > accounts to my spamtrap that auto-reports mail. A procmail recipe that > does all this looks like > > # Report spam to Pyzor > :0 BH > { > :0f > | spamassassin -d \ > | sed -e "s/^Subject: \*\*\*SPAM\*\*\*/Subject:/" \ > | grep -v "^ReSent-" \ > | grep -v "^X-Scanned-By:" > > # :0 Wc : /var/lock/pyzor-report.lock > # | /usr/bin/pyzor report > > # :0 Wc : /var/lock/razor-report.lock > # | spamassassin -r > > # :0: > # test > } > > I didn't use formail in my example. Uncomment the lines that suit your > needs. > > Justin > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:25:07 +0300 > From: Yalcin Cekic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Yalcin Cekic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Razor-users] problem after the install > > > Hi, > I am new in Razor. > I use the > http://www.pipeline.com.au/staff/mbowe/isp/webmail-server.htm#SPAM_VIRUS > document for razor. I installed razor and razor-sdk with no errors. > than i give "razor-client" command with no errors. > When I tried the: > "razor-admin -d -create -home=/etc/razor" > it gives me many errors given below. > I dont know whats is the problem. > > Any comment is welcome :-) > regards, > Y.C > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Razor-Log: No razorhome found, using all defaults > Razor-Log: No razor-agent.conf found, using defaults. > Razor-Log: -create will force complete discovery > May 28 19:16:24.308715 admin[2364]: [ 1] [bootup] Logging initiated LogDebugLevel=9 > to stdout > May 28 19:16:24.310094 admin[2364]: [ 6] Created razorhome: /etc/razor > May 28 19:16:24.310694 admin[2364]: [ 5] No /etc/razor/razor-agent.conf found, > skipping. > May 28 19:16:24.312545 admin[2364]: [ 5] wrote 16 HASH items to file: > /etc/razor/razor-agent.conf > May 28 19:16:24.313276 admin[2364]: [ 5] computed razorhome=/etc/razor, > conf=/etc/razor/razor-agent.conf, ident=identity > May 28 19:16:24.313612 admin[2364]: [ 2] Razor-Agents v2.34 starting razor-admin -d > -create -home=/etc/razor > May 28 19:16:24.319162 admin[2364]: [ 9] uname -a: Linux test > 2.4.21-0.13mdkenterprise #1 SMP Fri Mar 14 14:40:17 EST 2003 i686 unknown unknown > GNU/Linux > May 28 19:16:24.319990 admin[2364]: [ 7] Can't read file servers.discovery.lst, > looking relatve to /etc/razor > May 28 19:16:24.320448 admin[2364]: [ 5] Can't read file > /etc/razor/servers.discovery.lst: No such file or directory > May 28 19:16:24.321026 admin[2364]: [ 7] Can't read file servers.nomination.lst, > looking relatve to /etc/razor > May 28 19:16:24.321395 admin[2364]: [ 5] Can't read file > /etc/razor/servers.nomination.lst: No such file or directory > May 28 19:16:24.321734 admin[2364]: [ 7] Can't read file servers.catalogue.lst, > looking relatve to /etc/razor > May 28 19:16:24.322218 admin[2364]: [ 5] Can't read file > /etc/razor/servers.catalogue.lst: No such file or directory > May 28 19:16:24.323085 admin[2364]: [ 5] no listfile: servers.nomination.lst > May 28 19:16:24.323546 admin[2364]: [ 6] no discovery listfile: servers.discovery.lst > May 28 19:16:24.323976 admin[2364]: [ 5] Finding Discovery Servers via DNS in the > razor2.cloudmark.com zone > May 28 19:16:24.617502 admin[2364]: [ 6] Found 0 Discovery Servers via DNS in the > razor2.cloudmark.com zone > May 28 19:16:24.618369 admin[2364]: [ 1] razor-admin error: nextserver: discover0: > No Razor Discovery servers available at this time > nextserver: discover0: No Razor Discovery servers available at this time > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > From: "Jocelyn Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:16:02 +0200 > Subject: [Razor-users] Unable to use razor with spamassassin > > Hi, > > I'm trying to install razor with spamassassin and qmail, but it fails. > Spamassassin keep saying : > > May 28 20:49:31 anedroide2 spamd[4952]: debug: Razor2 is not available > > I've noticed the following error just before in the log : > > May 28 21:08:36 anedroide2 spamd[7791]: debug: is Net::DNS::Resolver > available? no > May 28 21:08:36 anedroide2 last message repeated 10 times > > However if I run spamassassin manually (spamassassin -D < sample-spam.txt) > it works, and detect both DNS and razor2 :/ > > I've executed > > razor-admin -create > > and > > razor-admin -register > > as the spamd user (spamc) > and I launch spamd with the following parameters : > > /usr/local/bin/perl /usr/bin/spamd -D -x -d -u spamc -H /home/spamc > > Any help will be appreciated ! :) > > Thanks, > Jocelyn > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:36:08 -0400 > To: Yalcin Cekic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] problem after the install > > At 07:25 PM 5/28/2003 +0300, Yalcin Cekic wrote: > > > Hi, > > I am new in Razor. > > I use the > > http://www.pipeline.com.au/staff/mbowe/isp/webmail-server.htm#SPAM_VIRUS > > document for razor. I installed razor and razor-sdk with no errors. > > than i give "razor-client" command with no errors. > > When I tried the: > > "razor-admin -d -create -home=/etc/razor" > > it gives me many errors given below. > > I dont know whats is the problem. > > > > >May 28 19:16:24.323976 admin[2364]: [ 5] Finding Discovery Servers via DNS > >in the razor2.cloudmark.com zone > >May 28 19:16:24.617502 admin[2364]: [ 6] Found 0 Discovery Servers via DNS > >in the razor2.cloudmark.com zone > >May 28 19:16:24.618369 admin[2364]: [ 1] razor-admin error: nextserver: > >discover0: No Razor Discovery servers available at this time > >nextserver: discover0: No Razor Discovery servers available at this time > > You can usually get over this problem by running razor-admin -discover to > force a "from scratch" discovery of the servers. Sometimes the DNS servers > for razor are down, so you might have to try again a couple hours later > before it works. > > Also make sure the system you are running all this on can actually > perform dns lookups (it should, but you never know who will try to set up a > server with no dns resolution capablilty). > > As a side-note it also seems a bit unusual to use /etc/razor for your home. > Home is for the per-user specific files, whereas /etc/razor is for > site-wide type files. In general the "home" directory needs to be writable > by the current user, and should not be readable by other users of the > system unless you have unusual needs. > > If you've got good reason to do it, go ahead, but that's not the "normal" > way (the default would be ~/.razor and makes more sense as a home for most > cases). > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:41:16 -0400 > To: "Jocelyn Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Unable to use razor with spamassassin > > Check your paths.. do you have 2 copies of spamd? (one in /usr/local/bin > and one in /usr/bin?) > > The reason I ask is that a root users environment will not have /usr/local > in its path, and will execute the copy in /usr/bin instead. A non-root user > will likely execute the one in /usr/local/bin. If razor is installed in > /usr/local/* and not /usr/* the root-run copy won't find it, but the > non-root user will. > > Even though spamd is setuiding to the user spamc, if it is started by root, > it will inherit the execution path from root, which is not the same as > logging in as spamc. > > > > > >I'm trying to install razor with spamassassin and qmail, but it fails. > >Spamassassin keep saying : > >May 28 20:49:31 anedroide2 spamd[4952]: debug: Razor2 is not available > > >However if I run spamassassin manually (spamassassin -D < sample-spam.txt) > >it works, and detect both DNS and razor2 :/ > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: "Jocelyn Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Matt Kettler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Unable to use razor with spamassassin > Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:54:46 +0200 > > Hi, > > Thanks for the suggestion. > I have just copied the razor file in /usr/local/bin but unfornately it > doesn't change anything. > Moreover according to the spamassassin log : > > May 28 23:50:04 anedroide2 spamd[23228]: debug: Current PATH is: > /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/h > ome/sly/bin/:/usr/local/mysql/bin/:/usr/local/apache/bin/ > > the PATH should be ok :/ > > I even also registered razor as root but it doesn't change anything :( > > Any other idea ? ;) > > (the weird thing is DCC and Pyzor are working like a charm, only razor is > affected by the problem) > > Thanks, > Jocelyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Kettler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jocelyn Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Unable to use razor with spamassassin > > > > Check your paths.. do you have 2 copies of spamd? (one in /usr/local/bin > > and one in /usr/bin?) > > > > The reason I ask is that a root users environment will not have /usr/local > > in its path, and will execute the copy in /usr/bin instead. A non-root > user > > will likely execute the one in /usr/local/bin. If razor is installed in > > /usr/local/* and not /usr/* the root-run copy won't find it, but the > > non-root user will. > > > > Even though spamd is setuiding to the user spamc, if it is started by > root, > > it will inherit the execution path from root, which is not the same as > > logging in as spamc. > > > > > > > > > > >I'm trying to install razor with spamassassin and qmail, but it fails. > > >Spamassassin keep saying : > > >May 28 20:49:31 anedroide2 spamd[4952]: debug: Razor2 is not available > > > > >However if I run spamassassin manually (spamassassin -D < > sample-spam.txt) > > >it works, and detect both DNS and razor2 :/ > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:42:26 -0400 > To: "Jocelyn Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Unable to use razor with spamassassin > > Copying the razor files in bin won't help you.. > > Razor and spamassassin are both perl modules, so there's also perl code > floating about in /usr/local/lib/perl5 too. SA calls razor using the perl > modules not the binaries. > > It sounds like you are the victim of installing with a broken CPAN that > tried to install a new copy of perl as a "dependency". I bet you'll find > that /usr/bin/perl and /usr/local/bin/perl are different versions of perl. > > I had a similar problem, my solution was to obliterate the copy of perl in > /usr/local, as well as all traces of spamassassin and razor there. > > I then upgraded cpan (using cpan to upgrade itself) and started the whole > install of sa and razor from scratch. After that it correctly wound up > installed in /usr/* > > > At 11:54 PM 5/28/2003 +0200, Jocelyn Fournier wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Thanks for the suggestion. > >I have just copied the razor file in /usr/local/bin but unfornately it > >doesn't change anything. > >Moreover according to the spamassassin log : > > > >May 28 23:50:04 anedroide2 spamd[23228]: debug: Current PATH is: > >/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/h > >ome/sly/bin/:/usr/local/mysql/bin/:/usr/local/apache/bin/ > > > >the PATH should be ok :/ > > > >I even also registered razor as root but it doesn't change anything :( > > > >Any other idea ? ;) > > > >(the weird thing is DCC and Pyzor are working like a charm, only razor is > >affected by the problem) > > > >Thanks, > > Jocelyn > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: "Jocelyn Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Matt Kettler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Unable to use razor with spamassassin > Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 01:23:57 +0200 > > Thank you for the help ! > The problem was indeed perl 5.8.0 was installed in /usr/local/bin/perl ... > After having cleaned all, reinstalled package with CPAN, all works perfectly > ! > > Thanks again :) > Jocelyn > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Kettler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jocelyn Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Unable to use razor with spamassassin > > > > Copying the razor files in bin won't help you.. > > > > Razor and spamassassin are both perl modules, so there's also perl code > > floating about in /usr/local/lib/perl5 too. SA calls razor using the perl > > modules not the binaries. > > > > It sounds like you are the victim of installing with a broken CPAN that > > tried to install a new copy of perl as a "dependency". I bet you'll find > > that /usr/bin/perl and /usr/local/bin/perl are different versions of perl. > > > > I had a similar problem, my solution was to obliterate the copy of perl in > > /usr/local, as well as all traces of spamassassin and razor there. > > > > I then upgraded cpan (using cpan to upgrade itself) and started the whole > > install of sa and razor from scratch. After that it correctly wound up > > installed in /usr/* > > > > > > At 11:54 PM 5/28/2003 +0200, Jocelyn Fournier wrote: > > >Hi, > > > > > >Thanks for the suggestion. > > >I have just copied the razor file in /usr/local/bin but unfornately it > > >doesn't change anything. > > >Moreover according to the spamassassin log : > > > > > >May 28 23:50:04 anedroide2 spamd[23228]: debug: Current PATH is: > > > >/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/ > h > > >ome/sly/bin/:/usr/local/mysql/bin/:/usr/local/apache/bin/ > > > > > >the PATH should be ok :/ > > > > > >I even also registered razor as root but it doesn't change anything :( > > > > > >Any other idea ? ;) > > > > > >(the weird thing is DCC and Pyzor are working like a charm, only razor is > > >affected by the problem) > > > > > >Thanks, > > > Jocelyn > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay > > Get office equipment for less on eBay! > > http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 > > _______________________________________________ > > Razor-users mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 05:39:20 +0100 (BST) > From: mb/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] FW: ANNOUNCE: razor-agents 2.34 > > On May 16 Kelson Vibber wrote: > > >From: Vipul Ved Prakash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Folks, > > > >razor-agents 2.34 have been released. This is a major bugfix release; > > Is this a "major release of Razor2 agents" ? I can't test it until it > includes the Aggregator, which still appears to be "with the next major > release". I suspect it will never be included (or that when it does it > won't be free), though I am still prepared to test alpha-quality code. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 07:40:08 -0700 > From: Cam Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Razor-users] Error 202 when reporting > > My system is Debian (mix of testing & unstable), and thus it has > razor-2.22. It is running, sort of, meaning that Exim seems to be > reading from the razor servers. However, I get an error when I try to > report. Here is a portion of the log: > > Jun 01 07:17:27.044438 report[27011]: [ 4] 216.52.3.2 << 30 > Jun 01 07:17:27.044485 report[27011]: [ 6] a=3Dai&user=3Dcam%40ellisonet.ca > Jun 01 07:17:27.094727 report[27011]: [ 4] 216.52.3.2 >> 9 > Jun 01 07:17:27.094812 report[27011]: [ 6] response to sent.5 > err=3D202 > Jun 01 07:17:27.095612 report[27011]: [ 1] razor-report error: Error > 202 while authenticating, aborting.=20 > > I have a firewall that blocks all but a few specified ports. Ports 7, > 2703, 16151, and 16152 are enabled, since these seem important. > > The Debian version sets /root/.razor as razorhome, though I have > changed this to my home directory. I note that razor complains about > not being able to write to the directory, which I find odd: > > Razor-Log: Computed razorhome from env: /home/cam/.razor > Razor-Log: Found razorhome: /home/cam/.razor, however, can't write to it. > Razor-Log: No /home/cam/.razor/razor-agent.conf found, skipping. > > > Any ideas, please? > > TIA > > Cam > =20 > --=20 > Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. > =46rom Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast > cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca > camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com > cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > From: "S. Anthony Sequeira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Razor List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Great Holm, Milton Keynes > Date: 01 Jun 2003 18:36:26 +0100 > Subject: [Razor-users] Razor 2-3.4 installation > > Hi, > > I have a couple of problems with the above installation. > > Man and perldoc razor-agents.conf, razor-agents and razor-whitelist > pages did not install. Anyway, I can get them installed. > > And not a Razor error I know, but hopefully someone can point me in the > right direction. > > perldoc <whatever> does not format properly. I can find nothing on the > web referring to this problem. > > $ perldoc razor-admin gives: > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RAZOR-ADMIN(1) User Contributed Perl Documentation > RAZOR-ADMIN(1) > > > > ESC[1mNAMEESC[0m > "razor-admin" - Razor Registering Agent > > ESC[1mSYNOPSISESC[0m > razor-admin [options] [ -register | -create | -discover ] > > ESC[1mDESCRIPTIONESC[0m > "razor-admin" is the Razor Agent that performs administrative > func- > tions, most notably registering (-register) > > ESC[1mUSAGEESC[0m > "razor-admin" must have one of the following arguments: > > "-register" > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Any ideas? > > Cheers. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:59:49 -0400 > From: Theo Van Dinter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "S. Anthony Sequeira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Razor List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Razor 2-3.4 installation > > > --LSp5EJdfMPwZcMS1 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 06:36:26PM +0100, S. Anthony Sequeira wrote: > > ESC[1mNAMEESC[0m > > the ESC[#m business is ANSI codes. 0 is reset, 1 is bold. there are > ones for colors, etc. > > I'd guess your terminal or pager doesn't know what to do with them. > > --=20 > Randomly Generated Tagline: > * * * <- Tribbles o o o <- Tribbles after hair cut! > > --LSp5EJdfMPwZcMS1 > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE+2j8VAuOQUeWAs2MRAq1pAKDWWqyY5909qhmUk5eOEQ7btwI9ewCcDVKv > zcaMb9aYF2eaaFuYYSP9/Ns= > =GbaN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --LSp5EJdfMPwZcMS1-- > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > > > End of Razor-users Digest > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay Get office equipment for less on eBay! http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users
