Well said. 
Have a good day

On 15 Nov 2004 at 13:14, Javier Valencia wrote:

> Victor:
> This is a very enlightening discussion as many of us had gotten bit before
> and realize the cost and effort required to get rid of a virus and 
though
> this forum we can share the benefit of our (painful) experiences. It is 
no
> longer a matter of whether you are going to get hit or not but when you 
are
> going to have problems...as corny as it sounds, an ounce of prevention 
is
> worth a pound of cure. IMHO, if this thread helps a single developer 
prevent
> an infection or helps another in getting his computer back to normal, 
then
> the bandwidth used is definitely worth it.
> In my opinion, there is not one solution that works for everybody, but a
> combination of options based on the work you do, how much you access the
> internet, the volume and content of the e-mails you send/receive, the 
type
> of Internet connection you have and last but not least the IP provider 
and
> type of IP connection you use (dynamic or static).
> The main thing is that you are aware of the limitation of the software 
you
> use, Explorer for example has a number of setting that you can use to 
enable
> and/or disable features; it is up to the individual user to determine 
what
> level of security you are willing to tolerate and enable/disable 
features
> accordingly and use complimentary software to compensate as needed. In
> addition to the software I mentioned in my previous post, I also use
> ZoneAlarm (free) for a firewall as well as a firewall build-in in my 
router
> that closes the back door access (or so they claim) to the network from 
the
> Internet. It is pathetic that we have to use all these precautions, but
> under the current "state of the Internet," it is an absolute must.
> Javier,
> 
> Javier Valencia, PE
> President
> Valencia Technology Group, L.L.C.
> 14315 S. Twilight Ln, Suite #14
> Olathe, Kansas 66062-4578
> Office (913)829-0888
> Fax (913)649-2904
> Cell (913)915-3137
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Victor 
Timmons
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:46 PM
> To: RBG7-L Mailing List
> Subject: [RBG7-L] - RE: Laptop woes
> 
> Sounds like you have all your bases covered. But just remember that
> because of the programs you run on your computer you are a much bigger
> target than me. I not saying that what I suggest is a replacement for 
good
> common sense, but you do because a much smaller target for bad things to
> happen if you get off the beaten path when it come to internet software.
> 
> Also check out www.firegate.net. They sell a firewall based on linux 
that
> scans all incoming and outgoing traffic (Email,Web,Ftp) for viruses. The
> nice thing the worm/virus never gets to the user.  Works well.
> 
> Ok time to get off my soapbox. Have a good day.
> 
> On 15 Nov 2004 at 12:27, Javier Valencia wrote:
> 
> > Although I am still using MS Explores, I have started exploring 
Firefox
> and
> > so far I like it, although I am still trying to figure out its
> > features/quirks; I understand that Explorer is being completely
> overhauled
> > and the upgrade will be available in the near future....until then, I 
am
> > keeping all option open.
> > I am also using Outlook 2000 and I do not have any problems with it as 
I
> > have McAfee that scans all incoming and outgoing mail and it has 
caught
> a
> > number of viruses and Trojan horses, so far no virus has gotten in
> (keeping
> > fingers crossed). McAfee check for upgrades constantly and sometimes, 
it
> > updates 2 or 3 times in one day; it is not too bad on DSL, I am not 
sure
> how
> > it would work on a dial-up connection.
> > Finally, I run Lavasoft "Ad-Ware" and Spybot "Search and destroy" 
(both
> are
> > free) periodically and my laptop seems to run fairly well.
> > Javier,
> >
> > Javier Valencia, PE
> > President
> > Valencia Technology Group, L.L.C.
> > 14315 S. Twilight Ln, Suite #14
> > Olathe, Kansas 66062-4578
> > Office (913)829-0888
> > Fax (913)649-2904
> > Cell (913)915-3137
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Victor
> Timmons
> > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:14 PM
> > To: RBG7-L Mailing List
> > Subject: [RBG7-L] - RE: Laptop woes
> >
> > All the programs i talked about are free. That means really free no 
bad
> > over head like spyware. Oh yea firefox = no popups :-) also.
> >
> >
> > On 15 Nov 2004 at 18:46, Gunnar Ekblad wrote:
> >
> > > Victor
> > >  I like your advice
> > >  I will try the first to start, then maybe the second
> > >  But remember most people are lazy therefore we stick to Explorer 
and
> > > outlook, but on this list are only clever people so we stick to 
R:Base
> > > and good advise
> > >
> > >
> > > Gunnar Ekblad
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Victor
> > > Timmons
> > > Sent: den 15 november 2004 17:07
> > > To: RBG7-L Mailing List
> > > Subject: [RBG7-L] - RE: Laptop woes
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Get away from internet explorer that is your number 1 problem if
> > > spyware is causing the problem. Try firefox you can down load it at
> > > www.mozilla.org. Works great for this because i wont run activeX. No
> > > activeX much much less spyware/Adware
> > >
> > > 2. get away from outlook. I use pagasus mail. You can get it at
> > > www.pmail.com. mozilla has one called thunderbird that is good also.
> > >
> > > Just my 2 cents worth
> > >
> > > On 14 Nov 2004 at 12:10, Joe Sowers wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dick,
> > > >
> > > > Here is what you probably need to do:
> > > >
> > > > 1.  Make sure you are using a firewall.  I prefer Zone Alarm.  You
> can
> > >
> > > get
> > > > the free version on DOWNLOAD.COM, but their security suite is well
> > > worth
> > > the
> > > > price.  At the very least, activate WINXP's firewall.  If you do 
use
> > > Zone
> > > > Alarm, deactivate WINXP's.  Don't use them both at the same time.
> > > >
> > > > 2.  Download Spybot Search and Destroy from DOWNLOAD.COM and run 
it
> > > > regularly.  It is free and the best spyware remover available.  
The
> > > > developer lives on donations if you like his product.
> > > >
> > > > 3.  Down Adaware PE from DOWNLOAD.COM and run it regularly.  It 
also
> > > free.
> > > > Between that and Spybot, there isn't very much that will get to 
you.
> > > >
> > > > 4.  Go to www.grc.com click on ShieldsUp and run all their tests 
on
> > > your
> > > > computer.  You will find out if you are really secure or not.  
Using
> > > the
> > > > above products, I always check out as invisible to intruders.
> > > >
> > > > 5.  For viruses I use PC-CILLIN by Trend Micro www.trendmicro.com 
.
> > > They
> > > > were recently rated the best by ZD NET.  They automatically make
> > > updates
> > > > available to you and it is not once a week or once in awhile.  I
> have
> > > gotten
> > > > as many as three in one day.  They ask before downloading.
> > > >
> > > > If all else fails, send your laptop to me and buy another one.  I
> can
> > > always
> > > > use an extra one.
> > > >
> > > > Joe Sowers
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick
> Fey
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:16 AM
> > > > To: RBG7-L Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [RBG7-L] - Laptop woes
> > > >
> > > > I know this is off-topic... but...
> > > >
> > > > before I throw my laptop in the R:Dumpster, maybe one of you
> computer
> > > > genius's can give me a clue.
> > > >
> > > > I am running a Dell Inspiron 8100 laptop, with XP Pro, and 512
> memory.
> > > >
> > > > It has begun to 'choke' after a series of either keyboard or mouse
> > > inputs.
> > > >
> > > > It just locks up for 15 to 20 seconds, and then usually comes 
right
> > > back,
> > > > and like picks up where it left off, including going right on with
> the
> > >
> > > key
> > > > strokes you had entered.  Occasionally instead of coming back, the
> > > mouse
> > >
> > > > totally disappears.  Keystrokes work, but the mouse just takes a
> work
> > > break
> > > > I guess.
> > > > Only solution then is a reboot.
> > > >
> > > > I thought it was a memory problem & recently doubled it to 512, 
but
> > > that
> > >
> > > > changed nothing.
> > > >
> > > > SO... its your chance to keep me from buying a new laptop.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dick Fey
> > > > Carpet Broker Inc.
> > > > Lenexa KS 66214
> > > >
> > > > 800-228-4632
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Victor Timmons
> > > Tiz's Door Sales, Inc
> > > 425-258-2391
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Victor Timmons
> > Tiz's Door Sales, Inc
> > 425-258-2391
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Victor Timmons
> Tiz's Door Sales, Inc
> 425-258-2391
> 
> 



Victor Timmons  
Tiz's Door Sales, Inc
425-258-2391

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