Thanks, I will inquire further about the tubing.  I think the term
slopers came from an earlier Gino post comparing SH to Bombadil,
though I could be wrong.  I take it "expanded" refers to the higher
intersection of top tube/head tube due to the 6 degree slope of the
former, like the Bombadil, but it's not particularly catchy, like,
say, "sixers."

I'm not at all serious about the terminology, and I'm not particularly
aristotlean on these genus/species things, just interested in a better
understanding of the differences.  It does seem visually that Sam may
be brother to Bombadil and cousin to Atlantis, AHH, please drop a line
when you get the chance to take another ride, and more photos if you
get the chance would be fantastic.

On Jan 4, 8:48 pm, CycloFiend <[email protected]> wrote:
> on 1/4/09 4:18 PM, Rick at [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Variation on an older theme, in part prompted by the Sam-as-mountain
> > bike and Atlantis sizing threads.  Speculatively speaking, how are
> > y'all seeing the AHH to SH comparison?  Historically torn b/w the AHH
> > and Atlantis, I've read with interest the description of the Sam
> > Hillborne as a middle ground between these two, but that's probably
> > limited to the qualities specified by Grant (mid point in tubing, AHH
> > tire clearance, Atlantis canti-brakes), with Sam falling instead in a
> > different genus/species with the Bombadil (denominated "slopers," to
> > borrow a phrase).  Seeing a stumpjumper built up to 650b recently also
> > made me wonder how Sam fits in the family.
>
> Actually, Grant had made some different choices in the tubing which I'm not
> sure I'd classify as "mid point".  He had pointed them out to me when I
> visited, so I'm sure they aren't state secrets, but I was waiting until they
> were more formally mentioned by the RBW gang themselves. I think there's a
> flyer coming out soon.
>
> My only ride on it was quite short, so I'm hoping to get back over when the
> test fleet arrives, so I can have more experience for comparison. So far,
> I'd say it rides like a Rivendell, and shows some features from both the
> Atlantis and Hilsen.  Beyond that, I'm probably projecting at this point...
>
> Personally, I don't like the phrase "slopers" for a few reasons.  GP refers
> to it as an "expanded" on the website, so could we use that?
>
> - Jim
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