It is confusing and I probably miss the point. But I'm not sure it's a good to introduce yet another term and at the same time claim to bring cycling back to normal people. I guess it's a bit to do with the fact that expanded as well as compact frame's are design to fit a bigger range of body sizes. But why not just state the actual frame size together with the range of sizes it replace? Seem like Kogswell already use this expanded frame type. But they state the size measured from the center of the BB all the way to the tip of the extended seat tube witch I find better correspond to the old tried and true: http://www.kogswell.com/siteGEOblue.php Never the less it's a lovely allround frame I would sertainly buy one it wasn't so expensive to ship/import. Could get a custome frame built for the same mone here in Europe!
On 7 Jan, 16:39, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com> wrote: > From what I can tell, "expanded" differs from "compact" only in terms > of how we measure the frame size - in other words, it's a matter of > measurement convention rather than a practical difference. Compact > frames are often measured along the seat tube based on where the top- > tube would be if it was horizontal. Therefore, a 56 cm compact frame > may have an actual seat tube that is only 52 cm c-c. If we use the > same sizing scheme to measure the new Hillborne, a 56 cm is actually a > 62 cm, or thereabouts. Suddenly tall people ride a 56 Rivendell, but a > 63 cm Trek/Specialized/Cannondale/Etc. To long-time Rivendell fans, > this new world order is going to take some mental adjustment... Of > course, the bars can probably be raised higher on the 56 Riv than on > most 63 cm bikes. > > Another brand we sell formerly used a "virtual seat tube" measurement > for frame size, but switched to actual seat tube measurement a year > ago. Thus, a 2007 frame designated as a 58 cm compact was in 2008 > designated a 54 cm expanded. They don't use the terms "expanded" and > "compact", just the numbers. Nothing changed but the measurement > technique. Confusing, what? > > Jim > > On Jan 7, 7:02 am, Will <wpm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > It's interesting that the Sam "frame design is 'expanded,' which is > > not at all like 'compact.' The top tube slopes up 6 degrees..." This > > seems to me to be a departure from the usual 2-degree top tube we've > > seen on most other RBW road models. A change in design philosophy? > > > On Jan 6, 11:56 pm, "Doug Peterson" <dougpn...@cox.net> wrote: > > > > Nice color, attractive without screaming "look at me". Classy. > > > Especially > > > like the braze on for the shifter cables. > > > > More photos - rack mount details? Maybe a bike fully racked up? Aw, come > > > on, it'll only take a few hours....please? > > > > dougP > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John at Rivendell > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:35 PM > > > To: RBW Owners Bunch > > > Subject: [RBW] Hillbourne With Paint > > > > Here are a few pictures of the green Hillbourne, just posted to the > > > site. > > > >http://www.rivbike.com/#product=50-700 > > > > Cheers, > > > > John at Rivendell > > > Ulaan Batar Branch Office- Dölj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
