On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 09:29 -0800, jinxed wrote:
> John,
> 
> I wouldn't sweat it. The information you received is an unfortunate
> side of the bike industry. Many of the bike shops (employees) out
> there seem to operate on the belief that if it's not in the Quality
> Bicycle Products catalog it doesn't exist. And when QBP decides not to
> carry something, their online ordering windows show the item as
> discontinued.
> 
> I've been working in shops on and off for the better part of 15 years
> and it never seems to change. Many times employees are only shown one
> option for ordering and therefore never venture outside of that, or
> just don't even know they can. Sometimes the shop owner won't allow
> ordering outside of places like Quality and J&B because they have
> established credit lines and or terms. Problem is SO many times the
> items wanted are out of stock, back-ordered, or discontinued. So
> instead of picking up the phone and calling Velocity, or finding
> another distributer, you get the "sorry dude, discontinued". Our shop
> is extremely married to the Quality/JB ordering and only like to place
> orders when there is enough to qualify for shipping discounts. So
> regardless if I need a part today, I might have to wait 2 weeks.
> Consequently I do a lot of shopping outside our store.
> 
> It is a real let down to see some of the attitude that exists in some
> shops. I grind my teeth when I see one of our employees blow off
> something and not dig deeper. I will do my best to scour all of our
> sources and figure out a way to make it work for the customer and the
> shop. Yea, sometimes to place a special order for one item will come
> with a surcharge, but as long as the customer is aware and agrees,
> then make it happen! One of the things I love about bicycles is the
> innovation of it all. Even if I am not into their aspect of cycling
> (ie recumbents), I am still eager to figure out a way to do, get,
> build, modify whatever they want. It's a bike!!
> 
> I have a rule of thumb to gauge a shop by. Will they mix Campy and
> Shimano if asked? Or do they believe that will cause the fabric of
> time and space to fold in on itself? If the latter, I don't expect too
> much.
> 
> Anyway, that was a long winded reply. I had my dander up about this
> exact same thing with our shop not looking past their noses when a
> customer asked about 650b tires. "Sorry dude" ugh....
> 



Don't feel so bad -- I went into my LBS a couple of years ago asking
about a Phil bottom bracket.  Young dude behind the counter gets all
sincere looking and tells me "they don't make them any more, company is
out of business."

I checked on their web site and discovered that not only is Phil not out
of business, this LBS is listed as being a stocking dealer!  I sent an
email to the company and they assured me they'd take care of reminding
the LBS that they're still around.

Last time I went in there, they seemed QUITE aware of Phil Wood
products!




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