Happy Birthday! On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> > > On Sep 29, 2009, at 11:03 AM, John McMurry wrote: > > > On Sep 29, 10:57 am, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote: > >> On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:19 AM, John McMurry wrote: > >> > >>> On Sep 29, 9:46 am, Bruce <fullylug...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> Weight is more a mental thing than a real physical factor for the > >>>> recreational/touring rider. > >> > >>> I disagree. For a recreational/touring rider who may stop and start > >>> quite often, and doesn't push for high speeds; weight matters and > >>> is a > >>> real, measurable, physical factor. > >> > >>> I'm not suggesting gram shaving a commuter at the expense of > >>> durability. But if you're carrying around unnecessary extra pounds; > >>> they generally won't add to the enjoyment of riding a bicycle unless > >>> your ride is all downhill. > >> > >> I don't know about that. I have a 21 lb bike (my old race bike, with > >> a heavier and more comfortable saddle than I used to use plus having > >> swapped out the Campy Ergo stuff for more "sensible" components) and > >> my All-Rounder which weighs in around 28 lbs with fenders, front > >> rack, handlebar bag, generator and lights, 30+ year old Brooks Pro, > >> etc. My speeds on the A/R aren't any slower and I enjoy riding it > >> much more on hilly or flat rides. > > > > When comparing those two bikes, you introduce too many variables to > > accurately isolate only one. > > Not so many, really just weight. My position is the same between the > bikes and arguably the Riv should be the aerodynamically worse bike. > The local hills are about 350-400 feet in altitude gain, though, so > it's not like I'm riding up l'Alpe-d'Huez (which I have done, and > there I think the weight difference would be noticeable). > > > Though, when your A/R handlebar bag is full with a commute load it > > will be slower than without it (all else equal). > > That's not been my experience. I should note that the bar bag is a > Berthoud Mini 86, so it's about the size of the Lil Loafer just > sideways on the rack. Doesn't hold that much, just enough for a > brevet or century. > > My commuter has a Carradice Longflap and is a 3 speed, so it is a bit > slower than my other bikes if for no other reason than the limited > gearing choices. It weighs less than the A/R. > > > Not that speed is your goal, and not that a minute off your commute is > > a big deal; my point being is that weight makes a real, measurable, > > physical difference. Whether that matters to you or not is a personal > > decision. > > Back when I raced speed was the primary goal on most rides. It > remains a goal on brevets to a degree. But, as I get older (turned > 50 today), I find I am less concerned with miles per hour than I am > with smiles per hour. > > > FYI, I'm perfectly happy, comfortable, and attain enjoyable speeds on > > an AHH with 42mm tires, 36 spoked wheels, fenders, bags, dynamo, etc. > > (even though I'm measurably faster on my 32 hole White Ind. wheelset > > with 30mm tires on the same bike). > > > > -not _intentionally_ poking a bee's nest > > Ah but when we talk within the Church of the Bicycle, there are bee's > nests abounding! ;-) > > > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
