Michael,

Thanks for explaining your take on this. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 3:57:16 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I run 9 speed.  My Saluki & Trek  have triples (48/34/26 or 24) and I run 
> a 12-27 cassette and that clearly gives me a better low and more closely 
> spaced gear choices.  Why 9 spd?  Basically I skipped 8.  I was running 7 
> speed freewheels well into the time 9 speed cassette were standard.  Around 
> 2000 it was getting hard to find decent freewheels (its actually easier 
> now) so I made the jump to 9 speed cassette hubs.  I like  a 4-1 big gear 
> (52/13; 48/12; 44/11) because it gives me some extra jump in rolling 
> terrain both to get up to speed on the downhill and to maintain momentum on 
> the uphills.  I like the 9 spd with a 12 cog because I can use a 48 ring 
> and get to smaller gears when needed.  The 12/27 seems right for me 
> although the 14 to16 is a wee bit more than I like.
>
> My Ram has a double  because I like the variety, because you can slam a 
> dbl around faster than a triple, and because the shorter derailers are 
> faster and more reliable.  Clearly the 44/30 sacrifices a gear and half at 
> the bottom but by using the 11/28 I don't give up anything at the top.  I 
> ride a lot of country roads where short ramps of 12-16% are common and 
> getting into a low gear quickly  gets rewarded.  In the 30/28 I can 
> maintain a decent cadence at 8%, manage 10% for awhile and suffer through 
> the steeper stuff.   I recently did a major climb (1600 ft of gain in 4 
> miles) on the Ram, with that 30/28.  No doubt a 24/27 would have been 
> easier.
>
> With gearing, everything is a trade off - top & bottom; gear spacing, 
> shifting pattern.  There not only is no one right answer, there isn't even 
> one perfect answer for any cyclist.  
> Michael
>
> On Friday, August 29, 2014 12:06:42 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> If you would prefer more closely spaced gears (13,14,15 vs 13,15) why 
>> don't you use a tighter cassette and a third chainring?
>> Also are you using 8sp? I thought 11-18s usually went 14,16 not 13,15.
>>
>> On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:31:41 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>>
>>> The front shift up is a bit slower but the real issue is searching for 
>>> the next gear way at the other end of the cassette.  I run an 11-28 and 
>>> have a strong preference for closely spaced gears.  The jump from 13 to 15 
>>> is already larger than I like, so I certainly wouldn't go any wider.  With 
>>> The 44/30  White VBC crank & ramped rings, a campy FD & short cage Shimano 
>>> 6700 in the rear this bike shifts so smoothly that I never give a thought 
>>> to dropping or raising the front..  When I drop the chain I know I am 
>>> always 2 rear clicks from the next gear.  The Silver DT shifters give the 
>>> ability to jump across the cassette when I need to, which is rare.  This is 
>>> all on the Ram and is the best shifting bike I have ridden in 35 years, 
>>> including Ultegra SIS.  
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:33:00 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/27/2014 06:17 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: 
>>>> > let us know how it works for you.  My one experiment with a 16 tooth 
>>>> > difference left me unhappy with the shifting pattern.  But I ride a 
>>>> > lot of rolling terrain where fast shifting gets rewarded, so that 
>>>> > probably influenced my reaction. 
>>>>
>>>> Is it that the front shift itself is slow, or that the multiple rear 
>>>> shifts necessary to get to the next closest gear are the source of the 
>>>> slowness? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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