The bag I got from Boulder cycles has both a plastic stiffener supplied by 
Berthoud and an aluminum stiffener (a U-shaped aluminum strip the bolts to 
the back and sides of the bag) supplied by Boulder.  I dumped the plastic 
and am just using the aluminum, which works fine.  I sewed myself some 
pockets using mosquito netting that hang from the aluminum strip, one 
pocket on the back of the bag and one on each side.  Handy for carrying 
small, frequently-used items that would otherwise disappear in the bottom 
of the bag.

Nick

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:03:45 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:
>
> Berthoud has one, Compass says theirs has one, and Boulder cycles says 
> they have an in-house proprietary made one.
> Are they all the same or different?
>

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