It's a heck of a business model, and probably something they love doing. Separating fools from their money that is. But I don't see how a *buyer* would not take 30 seconds and find a new Nitto stem for half of what pb is selling used for. If s/he is able to take their money, all hail pb!
I much prefer Pro's Closet out of CO: They offer excellent product, start a low price, no reserve auction, and sell it at what the market determines. They've established quite the reputation for quality. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Paul Brodek <p...@skyweb.net> wrote: > So I kinda know pb*bikes, we talked once, and I've seen his postings on > various forums. I'm familiar with his operation and the ill-will he seems > to generate. He hasn't appointed me as his defender, and I'm not > volunteering for that roll, but I will present another side of the coin. > > If you search his completed auctions and check his feedback, you will find > there are indeed quite a lot of buyers happy to pay his prices, and happy > with the value they receive. If one sleeps better thinking these happy > buyers are suckers or fools, so be it. Some of them may be. But the reality > is there are quite a few well-heeled collectors who place a premium on > their time, and would rather pay $500 for an NOS derailleur to finish off > their $15k Herse/Cinelli/whatever than spend hours on ebay trying to find a > clean-but-not-NOS one for less. I have customers with $50k monthly budgets > for their hobbies, and they don't blink plunking down their Amex Centurion > card for $40k worth of Leica, if Leica is what they want that month. You > need to charge at least $250k/yr to get an Amex Centurion card, so we're > talking big spenders. One guy bought a new Corvette last year with his > Centurion card---he wanted one, and he also wanted to see if the charge > would go through. It did. > > As for sourcing, pb*bikes spends a lot of time sourcing this stuff from > all over the world. Working the phones, traveling to check forgotten > warehouse lots. He's got to grade, sort and photograph his inventory, > handle all the auctions and fulfillment. I think he might have an employee > now, so he's got a salary to meet as well. It's an interesting business > model, he does it well and seems to enjoy it, but it doesn't look to me > like an easy way to make a buck. > > And yes, he is either directly or indirectly contributing to increasing > prices for vintage bicycle stuff. There is a finite amount of vintage > equipment on the planet, and as the deep pockets get the bug, prices go up. > Doesn't matter whether you blame the sellers or the buyers, it happens. You > either belly up to the bar and pay a premium, or you live without. Vintage > guitars, vintage audio, vintage Zippo lighters, vintage Levi's jeans, > vintage watches, vintage fly rods, vintage tons o' stuff---if people like > it and collect it, usually prices rise. > > I've never bought a single item from him, don't reckon I ever will. I > don't care about NOS, and even if I did, I don't have that kind of budget. > But I don't think the majority of his customers are ignorant or idiots, and > his business model doesn't upset me. > > As for filtering him out of your ebay search results, that's not hard to > do indirectly. You can input a price range on a search. Whatever part > you're looking for, set the high end of the range to whatever you think is > unreasonable. Then you won't see anything that'll upset you. > > On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 2:08:27 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: >> >> It really is truly amazing what he gets for his stuff when you look at >> his sold items. $75 for NOS Simplex pulleys??!! They're not even the fancy >> bearing version. >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Simplex-Vintage-bicycle-Derailleur-Pulleys-/ >> 281326407472?pt=US_Derailleurs_Rear&hash=item41805c4f30&nma=true&si= >> w76z2dQWkZ8tR3W%252BVQ8Whd01vzA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid= >> p2047675.l2557 >> >> I think I had box of these at some point. Dang, I could have retired!!! >> >> Anton >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:45:10 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> Go through his ebay storefront, s/he has a LOT of vintage parts for >>> sale, and what seem to be highly inflated prices. But when you look at the >>> feedback, 9,999 happy customers that seem content to pay those prices. So I >>> guess s/he has figured out a pretty lucrative business model. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:19 AM, hsmitham <hughs...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Really? Is there a sucker born every minute. In an age where we can do >>>> a search and find the reasonable price for an item. I realize that his >>>> tactic must work otherwise he wouldn't list such absurd prices but It's >>>> hard to conceive anyone, especially someone who's purchased a purchased a >>>> Riv to be so gullible. Perhaps there's a blog or consumer watch dog site >>>> devoted to Ebay BS? >>>> >>>> ~Hugh >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:31:10 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Act fast, and you can own a $450 Nitto stem to match your $100 >>>>> Rivendell water bottle! >>>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281339963578 >>>>> >>>>> And this one is a deal with handlebars thrown in the mix: >>>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271624744767 >>>>> Who can say no to such a once in a lifetime opportunity!?!?! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace >>>>> >>>>> "it isn't a contest. 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