I just put some Big Ben 700 x 50's on my Hillborne, and they fit fine with no 
room for a fender. I don't have calipers so I don't know their actual size, but 
it is a great riding tire and certainly fits on the Sam. And this is a sidepull 
Sam.

-Jim W.

p.s. Man, the Sam is a great bike.


On Nov 18, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Mike S wrote:

> Well, based on my assumption that a Schwalbe Almotion 622-50 will actually be 
> 48mm on a 23mm rim and that this can fit on my Sam, I think I'll go with this 
> plan. Also, I re-read about my 60mm Berthoud fenders on Peter White's page 
> and saw that he's found that 50 mm tires should fit no problem with these 
> fenders! Randonneuring bike on steroids!
> 
> Now it's just getting up the gumption to actually do the ride... 
> 
> On Monday, November 17, 2014 10:33:31 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
> Oh! In that case check out the Panaracer Fire XC
> 
> FIRE CROSS
> Cyclo-crossr
> The FireCross is based on the award winning Fire XC Pro tread. Designed and 
> tweaked for wide clearance cross frames and all 29” applications. Super 
> aggressive and confidence inspiring. Check your frame clearance to make sure 
> it will fit you bicycle!
> SIZES BEAD    ETRO    TPI     WEIGHT
> 700 x 45c     *Ara|Stl        45-622  60|34   690|810g.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Mike S <mikesh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm on 700C wheels and they currently have studded tires entrenched for the 
> duration. I also order my Schwalbe rubber from a German retailer, so it takes 
> some commitment. The Cazaderos do sound great too, especially if I could keep 
> my ultrawide Berthoud fenders on with them. 
> 
> On Monday, November 17, 2014 10:19:00 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
> Wait, I don't understand why you don't just try a pair. Yours is the 650B sam 
> right?
> 
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Mike S <mikesh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ahh, sad to see that my hopes for the Thunder Burts on Sam Hill are doomed. I 
> was just looking around at Schwalbe tires and it seems like the 622-47 
> Mondial might be an ideal choice for my purpose. I think beefed out Ogre is 
> in my future when I'm no longer enduring my vow of poverty (grad school), but 
> this might be a good way to go for pushing the ruggedness limit on a Sam. 
> 
> On Monday, November 17, 2014 9:40:07 PM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote:
> I've never seen a Sam that can fit actual 50 mm wide tires.  Certainly 45's.  
> BTW... the Thunder Burts measure out at 51 mm on 24mm wide rims.
> 
> As far as another bike... there is the used market.  I've seen used Fargos in 
> the price range of that Jamis.
> 
> ~mike
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