Hi Michael,
I'm pretty sure that the hoop will not interfere with the Nitto Mini or 
Mark's rack. Here's a look at the HAR v1 and Nitto Mini. I'm guessing that 
the only difference with HAR v2 is the hoop tab-- if that's the case, this 
pic shows that HAR won't interfere with the front rack.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14635282251/

I'm not familiar with the Arkel front panniers. If you'd like certain 
measurements of the HAR v1, I'd be happy to help. 

Happy Thanksgiving,
Shoji



On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:26:45 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I tried to buy the HAR last summer and missed out by a day and have ben 
> waiting for them to come back in stock.  However, with the added hoop I 
> wonder if the rack will fit with a Mark's Mini or a small Nitto?  I don't 
> want to give up that rack, I just want something that will go on and off 
> the bike quickly and not interfere with either the small rack or the roof 
> top tandem carrier.  Does anyone know if the new rack will work that way?
>
> Michael
>
> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:59:45 PM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>> I've got ver1 HAR+HUB. They've stayed on my Hunqapillar since I got them 
>> in July(?). 
>>
>> I use them for grocery hauling, and holding picnic stuff and toys when 
>> I'm riding with kids. Solid w/o hoop. I'll let my inner weight weenie take 
>> pride in knowing that I'm saving a few unnecessary grams, though Bill has 
>> outdone me there. :)
>>
>> shoji
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:38:54 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> I own a non-hoop HA Rack like you and I heard what you heard, that they 
>>> planned to offer a retrofit hoop.  The only extra detail that I know is 
>>> that this design was driven by Mark.  I bet the smartest info will come 
>>> from him.  Email mark at rivbike dot com and I'm sure he'll let you know 
>>> status.  
>>>
>>> FWIW, I scrubbed off the lower mushroom things on my rack, and I don't 
>>> feel the particular need to set up a hoop. 
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:15:06 AM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>       Has there been any more talk of Riv selling hoops for the older 
>>>> (last July's) version of the HAR? 
>>>>
>>>> I notice the hub area racks have been re-designed and are quite a bit 
>>>> different from the ones that came out last summer.
>>>>
>>>> Shortly after I purchased mine, Riv said they were going to come out 
>>>> with a version with the hoop, and hoops for the first HAR's, but I haven't 
>>>> heard anything more about it.
>>>>
>>>> I'd appreciate it if anyone has heard anything they can share.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>

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