On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 9:05:55 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>
> Evening All,
>
> I have a Surly LHT that I've used for fully loaded touring, and have loved 
> it for that purpose.  However, when lightly loaded or not at all, I find 
> the ride stiff, rigid, almost leaden (is that a word ?)  For various 
> reasons, I probably will not be doing that kind of touring going forward, 
> probably just light credit card touring. So I'm thinking that the Clem I 
> pre-ordered might be a better choice for that purpose.  Is there enough 
> known about the Clem's geometry, tubing diameters and thickness to make 
> that decision?  Certainly the long chainstays will make for a more 
> forgiving ride.  So does it make sense for me to take all the LHT's stock 
> components and mount them on the Clem and call it my new light touring bike?
>
> Awaiting the collective wisdom of the group...if the answer is yes, I'll 
> have a 58 cm LHT frame to sell.....
>
> Thanks,
> Alan
>

Thank you all for your thoughts.  I did upgrade the tires to Compass 38's 
and indeed, there was some improvement.  I also have a Ram, which I use as 
my go-fast bike (fast being a very relative term), so I've avoided adding 
racks and fenders.  But yes, it could probably do light touring if set up 
that way.  Part of this issue is me, in that I hate accumulating "stuff" 
that I don't use, and the addition of the Clem means the LHT will get 
bumped to the back.  I think Surly makes a great bike and for the price you 
can't go wrong.  But I like Riv better.  
Is there really no info on the dimensions or tubing for the Clem?

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