On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 1:40:59 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> Why are Super Motos better than Big Apples? How are they compared to Big 
> Bens?
>

With the Big Apples (the wire bead and thicker puncture protection belt 
version) I felt like as soon as I quit peddling I would begin coming to a 
stop unless I over inflated. Over inflating made them less comfortable than 
I thought they should be with so much volume. The SM with the folding bead, 
floppy sidewalls, lower tread and lack of puncture protection feel like 
they're made to roll in the same way that I feel the Compass EL tires are 
made to roll. I'm currently using the Barlow Pass EL and am not any more 
impressed with them than the SM.

I don't have any experience with the Big Ben but the description and specs 
look more like a BA than SM.

I just mounted some Big Bens on my Atlantis, and I'm planning a mixed 
> terrain 3-day trip this weekend. I took the Atlantis with the Big Bens out 
> last weekend, and on the single track, the steep gravel uphill and the 
> short steep rocky downhills I missed my Knards. 
>
 

> By the way, Northern Californians, I take full credit for the rain this 
> week. I removed the fenders both from my Roadeo (for summer) and my 
> Atlantis (to fit the Big Bens). You're welcome.
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:09 AM, john muhl <john...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Super Motos on an Atlantis are awesome; way, way better than the Big 
>> Apple. The only troubles I had were: double-leg kickstand is a no go and I 
>> needed a small extension to get the rear rack high enough.
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tW3y9zoVq_A/UaOxeUm1SOI/AAAAAAAA1vY/2glXlne2T4E/s1600/Atlantis%2Bwith%2BSuper%2BMotos.jpg>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 11:25:39 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> So nice! I love Riv's with big ol fat tires! Have you ever tried Super 
>>> Motos? I can't seem to find where to buy them, but I'd love to put those on 
>>> my Atlantis.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 11:04:48 PM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That's one of the many reasons I love my double top tube Sam. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 6:52:54 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote: 
>>>> > You're on a roll! 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:57 PM, dougP <doug...@cox.net> wrote: 
>>>> > 
>>>> > "I now can't decide whether I like it best with Big Ben, Smart Sam, 
>>>> or Barlow Pass." 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Clearly, further research is required to arrive at a definitive 
>>>> answer.  Tough problem; bring as-is on Saturday & solicit input from the 
>>>> experts. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Hey, I just "got" the double top tube;  you can hoist the bike over 
>>>> your shoulder without dislodging the frame pump.  I KNEW there must be a 
>>>> good reason.  
>>>> > 
>>>> > dougP 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 5:11:08 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: 
>>>> > 
>>>> > In the fall, I waffled on whether I would do the Big Ben 50's on a 
>>>> blue Sam Hillborne. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Well no more waffling. I do it! Photos kind of rushed, but I just 
>>>> wanted to demonstrate the capability: 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/17070605792/in/
>>>> photostream/ 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/17071337951/in/
>>>> photostream/ 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > I just had a great ride home from work minutes before taking the two 
>>>> photos. Big hill climb, and the big tires, Atlas rim, and heavy load in 
>>>> the 
>>>> rear bag didn't ruin the ride in any way at all. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > These tires are the Sam's limit. In the rear, there are 2 mm between 
>>>> fender tab below the seatstay bridge and the top of the tire. This bike is 
>>>> incredible. I now can't decide whether I like it best with Big Ben, Smart 
>>>> Sam, or Barlow Pass. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > -Jim W. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
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>>>> > David 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace 
>>>> > 
>>>> > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal 
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