Interesting post. I heard tell that Jobst would tell the builder, "Don't
cut anything off of the stays." At any rate, I *tend* to agree with Grant
(don't know enough about frames to say with certainty), but my own
experience, such as it is, makes me so tend.
My 2 Riv Road customs have 44.5 cm stays -- measured to center of
horizontals -- actually, I think Chauncey has added another cm or so to the
rear: he's waiting for dropouts from England. At any rate, this is the same
length as the massively long stays on the Fargo (where I can run 50s actual
with PB 60s and an inch of air in between, all 'round).
The point, and it's one Grant seems to have missed, is that *long stays do
not -- *repeat, *DO NOT* -- *compromise quick handling.* I must clarify. My
2 Rivs turn in noticeably faster than did the Ram (that's one reason I sold
the Ram, tho' the Ram was pleasant; just slightly slower that I wanted in a
road bike). The customs, while being almost as stable as the Ram in the
straight ("almost:" I think the heavier, larger wheels of the Ram affect
things), they turn in with exquisite compliance: no hesitation at all,
while not at all being "twitchy". Quick but seamless.
I'm sure that the short and light wheels affect this too, but on these 2
bikes Grant managed to capture what, for me at least, is a kind of ideal
mix of steadiness and quickness -- and, back to the point: this is done
despite what, by modern standards, are hugely long stays. (The Roadeo has
43 cm stays, IIRC.)
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